Did a man or the Self-Existing God create the Universe ?

[_Ceeboo]

Neither!

As a good student of the MDB, I have learned that the universe has a beginning (it was not created though! )
It came into existence (suddenly) from an event that is fondly called "The Big Bang!"
Before this event (The initial singularity) there was nothing - there was no space - there was no time - there is nothing behind this initial singularity.
While we don't even know what a singularity is (and certainly can not scientifically prove that singularities even exist) we do know that an initial singularity is what caused the explosive beginning to the entire universe.
At the moment of this explosion - before the expansion began - everything in the entire universe that we can see - and all that we can not yet see - was about half the size of a dime!
Now - although we have entirely no idea what rests (or rested) behind this initial singularity - we absolutely know that there was and is nothing behind it! (Makes sense, yes?)
It all was born of nothing - by nothing - for nothing - out of exactly nothing.
Come - follow me - and I will give you rest!

Peace,
Ceeboo

We absolutely know what there was behind it.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey Themis!

Neither!

As a good student of the MDB, I have learned that the universe has a beginning (it was not created though! )

Yes the universe as we know it.

It came into existence (suddenly) from an event that is fondly called "The Big Bang!"

Seems an appropriate name considering the evidence don't ya think? Or do you know what evidence scientists are seeing?

Before this event (The initial singularity) there was nothing - there was no space - there was no time - there is nothing behind this initial singularity.

No time or space, but I haven't seen the science comment about nothing behind it. God did it doesn't seem very scientific unless they have some good evidence for such. Hard to get since we cannot see the moment it happened.

While we don't even know what a singularity is (and certainly can not scientifically prove that singularities even exist) we do know that an initial singularity is what caused the explosive beginning to the entire universe.

These areas are called theoretical for a reason, but a lot of math goes into it. One cannot just make things up like God did it and expect that it should be accepted. If you think this is wrong please explain why.

Now - although we have entirely no idea what rests (or rested) behind this initial singularity - we absolutely know that there was and is nothing behind it! (Makes sense, yes?)

It all was born of nothing - by nothing - for nothing - out of exactly nothing.

See above.

Happy New Year!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_LittleNipper]

Real HONEST science is observation coupled with repeatability. Anything less than that is opinion no matter the credentials.

[_Zakuska]

Intresting that Paul Claims "Wisdom" (a.k.a. Christ personified) and Wisdom claims to be a created being.

[_Dr Exiled]

I don't think anybody knows who God is or if there is such a being. After dealing with Mormonism for all these years, I have to believe that anyone who claims to know God is after what's in your wallet, to control you, or both.

[_The CCC]

Mittens:

That is the God of the Neo-platonists. Please explain John 17.

[_The CCC]

Themis:

Personally I prefer a Multi-verse. But I make no claim that such a theory is Church doctrine.

[_MetalSlasher]

I'll blow all your minds. There was no creation. The universe has always been.

[_Tobin]

I'll expand your minds even more. If there are god-like beings, they may not have created the universe.

[_Zakuska]

God the Father was never a man

The Bible says otherwise...

Exodus 15:3 - The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.