Mittens wrote:God the Father was never a man
So if God the Father is not a man, is He at least ambigously humanoid?
Mittens wrote:God the Father was never a man
Themis wrote:
So? The problem with the story is not that towers were built, or that ancient people might be stupid/ignorant enough to think this is reasonable. The problem is more why God would be upset and magically make everyone speak different languages. It's obvious myth to explain why different groups spoke differently...
The CCC wrote:
No he doesn't. The Church has a long well established method for determining what revelation is and campfire tales aren't it.
SteelHead wrote:The question of the op betrays the premise. If god can be self existing, if we are handing out special exceptions, why can the universe not be self existing?
Themis wrote:The CCC wrote:
No he doesn't. The Church has a long well established method for determining what revelation is and campfire tales aren't it.
Your problem is that it is much more then a campfire tale. It is considered revelation and in the standard works. D&C 116. Opps![]()
I thought you were a long time believing member. I don't know any long time believing member who didn't know this.
The CCC wrote:Themis wrote:Your problem is that it is much more then a campfire tale. It is considered revelation and in the standard works. D&C 116. Opps![]()
I thought you were a long time believing member. I don't know any long time believing member who didn't know this.
SEE https://www.LDS.org/ensign/1994/01/i-ha ... n?lang=eng
SEE http://eom.BYU.edu/index.php/Garden_of_Eden
SEE http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/G ... n_Missouri
It wasn’t until May 1838 that revelation (D&C 116) identified Adam-ondi-Ahman, a site near the Garden of Eden, to be in Daviess County, Missouri, some seventy miles from present-day Kansas City. (Encyclopedia of Mormonism, 4 vols., New York City: Macmillan, 1992, 1:19–20.) Other revelations referring to Adam-ondi-Ahman were D&C 78:15–16 and D&C 107:53–57.
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: “In accord with the revelations given to the Prophet Joseph Smith, we teach that the Garden of Eden was on the American continent located where the City of Zion, or the New Jerusalem, will be built. When Adam and Eve were driven out of the Garden, they eventually dwelt at a place called Adam-ondi-Ahman, situated in what is now Daviess County, Missouri. … We are committed to the fact that Adam dwelt on [the] American continent.” (Doctrines of Salvation, 3 vols., comp. Bruce R. McConkie, Salt Lake City:Bookcraft, 1956, 3:74. Compare Answers to Gospel Questions, 5 vols., Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1957–75, 2:93–95, 4:19–24; and Alvin R. Dyer, in Conference Report, Oct. 1968, pp. 108–9.)
Latter-day revelation specifies that as a mortal, Adam lived at Adam-ondi-Ahman in what is now Daviess County, Missouri (D&C 107:53-56;116:1;117:8).
Since Spring Hill was named by the Lord as the place where Adam will come to visit his people, it has generally been presumed to be the Adam-ondi-Ahman of Adam's mortal meeting with his posterity
It is perhaps significant the Lord named this site because of a future event—the pre-millennial assembly of Adam and his faithful descendants prior to the second coming of Christ. It has generally been presumed that "Spring Hill," Missouri is thus the Adam-ondi-Ahman of Adam's mortal meeting with his posterity (D&C 107, above) and the pre-millennial visit (D&C 116), which is certainly possible.
An alternate interpretation would be the Lord has given the Adam-ondi-Ahman name to a second site (i.e., at Spring Hill, Missouri) in memorial of the first great meeting of the whole righteous human race. That first meeting, at which Adam presided, would then be a foreshadowing of the greater meeting of all the righteous prior to Christ's triumphant return in glory. This reading might better explain why D&C 116 bothers to explain why the Lord is giving the name to the site. If the site was already called Adam-ondi-Ahman, perhaps there would be little need for the Lord to renew its name. One could see this as analogous to the site "Jerusalem." There is, in LDS doctrine, to be a "New Jerusalem" built on the American continent in the last days.[3] Yet, this does not mean the "New Jerusalem" site is the same as the Jerusalem of David and Jesus in the Old World, or that the old Jerusalem has ceased to exist.
On the other hand, Doctrine and Covenants 117 also seems to associate the Missouri Adam-ondi-Ahman with Adam's dwelling place in mortality:
7 Therefore, will I not make solitary places to bud and to blossom, and to bring forth in abundance? saith the Lord.
8 Is there not room enough on the mountains of Adam-ondi-Ahman, and on the plains of Olaha Shinehah, or the land where Adam dwelt, that you should covet that which is but the drop, and neglect the more weighty matters?
9 Therefore, come up hither unto the land of my people, even Zion. (DC 117:7-9)
The association of Adam-ondi-Ahman with the "land where Adam dwelt," and Adam's presence at Adam-Ondi-Ahman prior to his death have led most Latter-day Saints to conclude they are one and the same. (However, this verse raises more questions than it answers—there are no mountains of note in Missouri. So, was the geography more expansive than Joseph or the early saints presumed?)
Zakuska wrote:Mittens wrote:God the Father was never a man
The Bible says otherwise...
Exodus 15:3 - The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
LittleNipper wrote:Real HONEST science is observation coupled with repeatability. Anything less than that is opinion no matter the credentials.
Huckleberry wrote:That is why river erosion tells time.
LittleNipper wrote:And "Climate Change" is demonstrating a different explanation. Change can happen very, very, very, quickly ---- so the Flood would have a large impact on climate, as well as, topography and geography and fossil formation and species obliteration. That is why I do no fret over the doom and gloom pronouncements coming from evolution indoctrinated politicians. They do not fathom that GOD and NOT US is technically in control.