My Favorite (to date) take down of Creationism.

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Spotlight,

You seem to be an expert on some things. At least you act like one. Now if I have some matter can I move it from one place to another without it moving through the ground between the two points? If you are an expert this should be an easy question to answer.
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Franktalk wrote:Spotlight,

You seem to be an expert on some things. At least you act like one. Now if I have some matter can I move it from one place to another without it moving through the ground between the two points? If you are an expert this should be an easy question to answer.


Did you mean - without it moving through the space between the two points?

Frank, I am not convinced you understand whatever it is you've stumbled upon online. Likely some article on quantum teleportation. The state of matter can be teleported, not the matter itself.

But to attend to your specific question my answer is...
no, you cannot do it, meaning you personally Frank, even if the authors give you every bit of information in a write-up of their experiment, you won't be capable of replicating their results. Even if we are talking about the transportation of the state and not the matter itself. Does that answer your question?
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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spotlight wrote:
Franktalk wrote:Spotlight,

You seem to be an expert on some things. At least you act like one. Now if I have some matter can I move it from one place to another without it moving through the ground between the two points? If you are an expert this should be an easy question to answer.


Did you mean - without it moving through the space between the two points?

Frank, I am not convinced you understand whatever it is you've stumbled upon online. Likely some article on quantum teleportation. The state of matter can be teleported, not the matter itself.

But to attend to your specific question my answer is...
no, you cannot do it, meaning you personally Frank, even if the authors give you every bit of information in a write-up of their experiment, you won't be capable of replicating their results. Even if we are talking about the transportation of the state and not the matter itself. Does that answer your question?


Thanks for the quick response. Now explain how a quantum jump fits with your answer. In simple terms since I really don't know much about all of this sciency stuff.
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Spotlight,

Now let us talk about entangled things like electrons and photons. How does the state change on an entangled electron? Does the state of one relate to the state of the other? What method of information transfer is used for the entangled particles? If we could only observe one side of an entangled pair would we be able to detect that it was entangled?
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Spotlight,

Have we observed the information pathway for entangled particles? Can we detect it with any known device in science today? How do we know that things are entangled if we can't measure the information pathway?
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Franktalk wrote: Now explain how a quantum jump fits with your answer. In simple terms since I really don't know much about all of this sciency stuff.


Yes sure, but first you have to use the vocabulary of science instead of your own peculiar vocabulary.

"Quantum Jumping is a multi-media coaching program which combines deep guided meditation and advanced visualization techniques among other science and spirituality practices which help the user tap into their subconscious and supposedly learn from their alternate selves."
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Franktalk wrote:Spotlight,

Have we observed the information pathway for entangled particles?

Bell's theorem addresses this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell's_theorem
The answer is there isn't one. Non locality is a reality. Spooky action at a distance is reality. Of course distance can be made to shrink to nothing at the speed of light so distance is a matter of your frame of reference.

Can we detect it with any known device in science today?

See previous.

How do we know that things are entangled if we can't measure the information pathway?

Study some probability theory and you will find the answer.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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Franktalk wrote:Now let us talk about entangled things like electrons and photons. How does the state change on an entangled electron?


The same way a state changes on an unentangled one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_decoherence

Does the state of one relate to the state of the other?

That's what entanglement means.

What method of information transfer is used for the entangled particles?

Already answered this one. Why are you asking the same question more than once?

If we could only observe one side of an entangled pair would we be able to detect that it was entangled?

I don't think so.
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Is this a test? Will I be graded?
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spotlight wrote:
Franktalk wrote:If we could only observe one side of an entangled pair would we be able to detect that it was entangled?

I don't think so.


This is not a test Spotlight. Now we have observed entangled particles, have we ever found particles entangled in nature? Have we found all sources of entanglement? Can there be entanglement we have not discovered? Can information be transmitted using entangled particles? Would this be spooky transfer of information at a distance?
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