My Favorite (to date) take down of Creationism.

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Franktalk wrote:Spotlight,

Yes, it was unclear if they were talking about classical information or classical parts. But it is clear that we are just beginning to find our way around this entanglement observation. It is possible that some of the research is classified if paid for by the military. So it is possible that more is known beyond that which is published. And of course the future remains open.

Just as the discovery of electromagnetic waves led to electronics we may see many practical devices spring from entanglement as well. So would you entertain the possibility that information could be transmitted using entanglement in the future?

Do we know all of the properties of dark matter? Do we know if dark matter follows the same rules of QM that normal matter follows?


So all of this discussion to convince me that there are still gaps in our knowledge? I was aware of that. How do any of these gaps apply to the facts I have brought up relating to what we do now know? Specifically How does a spirit control a body as consciousness and the thinking agent when split brain patients and Sean Carroll's article show this can't be the case?

All of the knowledge to be gained in the next thousand years will not make Newtons laws of mechanics any less accurate than they are at present. They will still be just as true then as they are today as they were when first put to paper. Evolution will still be a fact of reality as well. Facts we know do not disappear with new discoveries.
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Just for fun, here's Orson Pratt's

"Key to the universe: or, A new theory of its mechanism. Founded upon a I. Continuous orbital propulsion, arising from the velocity of gravity and its consequent aberrations; II. Resisting ethereal medium of variable density. With mathematical demonstrations and tables"

https://archive.org/details/keytouniverseorn00prat
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Spotlight,

It seems that gaps in our current understanding of things allows for a very dynamic future with many possible explanations of things not known today. I see science tell me that there is such a thing as dark matter. They say it influences normal matter by gravity. They also say it can't be seen. Science also states that normal matter can be entangled. They also say that entangled matter has an undetected communication pathway. It is also stated that information is transferred from one particle to another faster than the speed of light. Yet I also hear that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.

Does it bother you that science makes exceptions to the rules? Does it bother you that science has favorite ways to explain things it can't observe? Does it concern you that science settles on a theory of dark matter when there are numerous other explanations for the same effects?

So using the non observed dark matter we could be awash in dark matter particles right now and would not know it. We could have dark matter devices or creatures walking among us. In fact the lack of our ability to observe these things does not disprove them at all. Since science fully admits dark matter is dark. So science picks and chooses what it wants to believe. It is a belief system like any other on the planet.

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I guess none of this bothers you.
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Sotlight:

All of the knowledge to be gained in the next thousand years will not make Newtons laws of mechanics any less accurate than they are at present. They will still be just as true then as they are today as they were when first put to paper. Evolution will still be a fact of reality as well. Facts we know do not disappear with new discoveries.[/quote]

I wouldn't go that far.
SEE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMXHKixqOM8
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Maksutov wrote:Just for fun, here's Orson Pratt's

"Key to the universe: or, A new theory of its mechanism. Founded upon a I. Continuous orbital propulsion, arising from the velocity of gravity and its consequent aberrations; II. Resisting ethereal medium of variable density. With mathematical demonstrations and tables"

https://archive.org/details/keytouniverseorn00prat


So?
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The CCC wrote:
Maksutov wrote:Just for fun, here's Orson Pratt's

"Key to the universe: or, A new theory of its mechanism. Founded upon a I. Continuous orbital propulsion, arising from the velocity of gravity and its consequent aberrations; II. Resisting ethereal medium of variable density. With mathematical demonstrations and tables"

https://archive.org/details/keytouniverseorn00prat


So?


So yourself. I posted a link of speculative Mormon cosmology. Something that I've seen in this thread. I guess Orson Pratt has as many rights as a cosmologist as Franktalk, Rock Waterman, John Heinerman, John Pratt. Do you think there is a cavalier attitude towards cosmology in the Mormon movement? Seems to be, from Smith onward. I would suspect that Meridian Magazine's favorite new pseudoscience writer from New Zealand has found ways to fuse Mormonism and UFOs. Add to that the Mormons advocating for the hollow earth and you have a culture that seems to be a prolific Petri dish of nonsense. :lol:
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So yourself. I posted a link of speculative Mormon cosmology. Something that I've seen in this thread. I guess Orson Pratt has as many rights as a cosmologist as Franktalk, Rock Waterman, John Heinerman, John Pratt. Do you think there is a cavalier attitude towards cosmology in the Mormon movement? Seems to be, from Smith onward. I would suspect that Meridian Magazine's favorite new pseudoscience writer from New Zealand has found ways to fuse Mormonism and UFOs. Add to that the Mormons advocating for the hollow earth and you have a culture that seems to be a prolific Petri dish of nonsense. :lol:[/quote]

Speculative is the operative word here.

You'll never need Moonshine in your cup with Meridian Magazine there. :razz:

Get any two people together, and you produce two things; babies, and Speculative Cosmology. :rolleyes:
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The CCC wrote:Sotlight:

spotlight wrote:All of the knowledge to be gained in the next thousand years will not make Newtons laws of mechanics any less accurate than they are at present. They will still be just as true then as they are today as they were when first put to paper. Evolution will still be a fact of reality as well. Facts we know do not disappear with new discoveries.


I wouldn't go that far.
SEE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMXHKixqOM8


The video is against using god as an explanation. I've cited Newton and Laplace myself in online discussions several times in the same manner. God is not an explanation. We agree.

But even though GR is currently the reigning model, Newton's laws are still accurate enough to describe bullet trajectories etc and that is my only point. It is a model of reality that has certain limitations and where it is useful and accurate enough will not change with the passage of time. A thousand years from now it will still be sufficient to describe the trajectories of bullets (if their are still bullets around then).
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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Maksutov wrote: Add to that the Mormons advocating for the hollow earth and you have a culture that seems to be a prolific Petri dish of nonsense. :lol:


At one time various ideas were considered nonsense.

The earth rotates around the Sun.
Light has a finite speed.
Small fast particles do not follow Newton's Laws of motion.
Most of the Universe is made of stuff we can't see.
Atoms are not solid.

Your comment does not match the history of discovery.
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spotlight wrote:But even though GR is currently the reigning model, Newton's laws are still accurate enough to describe bullet trajectories etc and that is my only point. It is a model of reality that has certain limitations and where it is useful and accurate enough will not change with the passage of time. A thousand years from now it will still be sufficient to describe the trajectories of bullets (if their are still bullets around then).


If the universe goes into the big crunch will the laws of GR still apply?
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