DNA the New Fronter

[_LittleNipper]

As I see it, the main problem with the deterioration in the quality of math and science education in US primary and secondary schools is social, and even political.

This lack of appreciation in the general population for the importance of science and math is a phenomenon with which other religious countries struggle as well. I am thinking again of Saudi Arabia, for example, where the education system turns out Islamist studies graduates in great abundance (most of whom become unemployed and are largely unemployable) and has to bring in most of its infrastructure and industry-critical scientists and engineers from other countries.

One result of this failure in primary and secondary school in this country is an increasing proportion of science idiots like Little Nipper, Franktalk, Jo 1952, Ted Cruz, and many, many others. They band together in groups, often according to religious belief, to hinder political and social progress. They are the climate change deniers, the military hawks, the common core opponents, the civil rights opponents, etc.

Their ignorance and the associated behaviors are, for any number of reasons and through a number of mechanisms, an important factor in the widening of the economic gap in the US.

The fruits of such unfounded beliefs and behaviors in this growing segment of the (less educated) population have now become manifest in the candidacies of Donald Trump and Ted Cruz.

I find this both frightening and heartbreaking. That some of the most powerful and popular political leaders in this country (including the leaders of the House Science and Technology Committee) are so abysmally ignorant of basic science and math and even seem outspokenly proud of that fact and their anti-science stance does not bode well for the future of my beloved grandchildren and the country I love. How long can the US maintain whatever lead it still retains in science and technological innovation if this disgraceful situation continues?

I am somewhat grateful to LittleNipper, though, for repeatedly, though inadvertently displaying just how ignorant and irrational his position really is. Thanks to you and spotlight and others on this forum, his clock has well and truly been cleaned numerous times.

I believe that the problem with the public institutions of education throughout the United States is that they do not deal in controversy, encouraged thought and investigation. They presently deal in dictation and sports. Heaven help the one who wonders aloud concerning GOD. America once had a very highly rated public education system; however, that generally ended about 1963 and education has been becoming more narrow mined, undisciplined and manipulated ever since.

[_Gunnar]

No, NP. One of the main problems with the public institutions of education throughout the United States is that they have let themselves be intimidated by militant, litigious religious fundamentalists trying to foist their creationist nonsense on public school curriculums! I'm sure that is not the only problem, but it surely is near the top of the list!

[_Themis]

I'm not seeing the relevance, CCC. Please explain.

It's just his usual link and run with LDS issues.

[_LittleNipper]

No, NP. One of the main problems with the public institutions of education throughout the United States is that they have let themselves be intimidated by militant, litigious religious fundamentalists trying to foist their creationist nonsense on public school curriculums! I'm sure that is not the only problem, but it surely is near the top of the list!

No, Gunnar. One of the main problems with the public institutions of education throughout the United States is that they let themselves be intimidated by militant atheists (Madalyn Murray O'Hair is best known for the Murray v. Curlett lawsuit, which led to a landmark Supreme Court ruling ending encouraged Bible-reading in American public schools in 1963). Atheists love to blame everyone else; however, this experiment has demonstrated that without God education is at best shallow. The primary reason for this failure is that educators overwhelmingly have rejected God. They have failed to teach the purpose of life — that man is to learn to seek God and desire to become like Him and not simply an intelligent animal.

No, the exclusion of God ended the practice in public schools of Christmas trees, Christmas parties, Christmas decorating, Easter decorating, Christmas concerts, Thanksgiving ceremonies and even Halloween Parties, Graduation eulogies and Baccalaureate services. Even the pictures of Washington and Lincoln were removed from a place of honor at the front of classrooms. These are only the most obvious results.

However, teachers are unable to speak in any form of their own spiritual journey without risking getting into serious trouble for such candor. Spirit Week (a left over from the "good old days") has no real meaning today except for an upcoming rival football game. Students can be disrespectful without any real serious reprimand or lecture on virtue. In fact, lying and cheating in school is really no longer considered a want of character, but a faze demonstrating "resourcefulness."

No, I cannot blame atheism entirely. Christians allowed them to take over the system of public education that Christian communities once built and now atheists want to manipulate private institutions and end home schooling.

[_spotlight]

The primary reason for this failure is that educators overwhelmingly have rejected God. They have failed to teach the purpose of life — that man is to learn to seek God and desire to become like Him and not simply an intelligent animal.

If man were an intelligent animal he would not desire to become like your murdering, genocidal god.

However, teachers are unable to speak in any form of their own spiritual journey without risking getting into serious trouble for such candor.

You mean Franktalk would not be able to ramble on in front of a classroom about casting off science and taking an inward journey? What a loss. I'm speechless.

No, I cannot blame atheism entirely. Christians allowed them to take over the system of public education that Christian communities once built and now atheists want to manipulate private institutions and end home schooling.

Well that explains a lot. Were you home schooled LittleNipper? Were you taught with materials purchased from Dr. Dino?

[_Maksutov]

No, the exclusion of God ended the practice in public schools of Christmas trees, Christmas parties, Christmas decorating, Easter decorating, Christmas concerts, Thanksgiving ceremonies and even Halloween Parties, Graduation eulogies and Baccalaureate services. Even the pictures of Washington and Lincoln were removed from a place of honor at the front of classrooms. These are only the most obvious results.

However, teachers are unable to speak in any form of their own spiritual journey without risking getting into serious trouble for such candor. Spirit Week (a left over from the "good old days") has no real meaning today except for an upcoming rival football game. Students can be disrespectful without any real serious reprimand or lecture on virtue. In fact, lying and cheating in school is really no longer considered a want of character, but a faze demonstrating "resourcefulness."

Guess what, Nipper? The prisons are full of people who identify as Christian. "Lying and cheating" sounds like Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich, the current governor of Alabama...all Christians. I could go on and on and on and on. I'm really not impressed with your argument here.

But I read your post, so you should read these:

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi ... od/279095/

http://www.alternet.org/story/153803/White House ... th_threats

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... n-atheist/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h9IRlmk9JQ

And if you need a little icing on your cake, just check out this Google search:

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid= ... 5.3959j0j8

[Guest]

No, the exclusion of God ended the practice in public schools of Christmas trees, Christmas parties, Christmas decorating, Easter decorating, Christmas concerts, Thanksgiving ceremonies and even Halloween Parties, Graduation eulogies and Baccalaureate services. Even the pictures of Washington and Lincoln were removed from a place of honor at the front of classrooms. These are only the most obvious results.

However, teachers are unable to speak in any form of their own spiritual journey without risking getting into serious trouble for such candor. Spirit Week (a left over from the "good old days") has no real meaning today except for an upcoming rival football game. Students can be disrespectful without any real serious reprimand or lecture on virtue. In fact, lying and cheating in school is really no longer considered a want of character, but a faze demonstrating "resourcefulness."

Guess what, Nipper? The prisons are full of people who identify as Christian. "Lying and cheating" sounds like Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich, the current governor of Alabama...all Christians. I could go on and on and on and on. I'm really not impressed with your argument here.

But I read your post, so you should read these:

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi ... od/279095/

http://www.alternet.org/story/153803/White House ... th_threats

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... n-atheist/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h9IRlmk9JQ

And if you need a little icing on your cake, just check out this Google search:

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid= ... 5.3959j0j8

Gage Pulliam really wanted the plaque removed. I do not feel what he desired to do was fair to the community. I do not feel he should be threatened. He should be informed that freedom doesn't mean that the environment needs to be sanitized and exclusive to his needs. The well educated person comes to understands that there is a need for tolerance.

In the case of Jessica Ahlquist, it is never right to threaten anyone for their thoughts, even if those thoughts are religious. Now the question arises: Are other banners promoting secular thought allowed to be displayed in school? Say for example a banner promoting "GAY PRIDE"? Are not posters and banners meant to have an influence? Was this banner one of many designed by students? Can freedom of speech be exclusive of religious opinion for the sake of the irreligious? And is the eradication of religious concerns, motives, and opinions not creating an environment that in turn gives the impression that religious thought and expression is objectionable/un-American (to the impressionable mind) while secular thought is acceptable, honest and true?

As for the case of the 2nd grader and his teacher Mrs. Myers --- we are not told the outcome. I tried looking up the court case which was from a year ago and have not discovered a verdict. This little boy known as A.B. seems to have made a little girl cry with his answer. The suit seems to promote the thought that little A.B. was very polite and gave an honest unbelligerent response. One would have to question if any 2nd grade boy is capable of not wanting to cause a little girl to cry. But without knowing the outcome, this case is questionable.

And oh really? I happen to fully agree with O'Reilly in this case.

The icing on the cake is something that a lot of free thinkers are just as capable of doing. And such behavior is wrong no matter who does it and for whatever reasons.
One's works do not get one into heaven; however, they do bear witness to both one's motivation and character. I may add that many do become Christian in jail. They've hit bottom and seek the light.
Galatians 5:19-23
The action of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; fetishism and drug dealing; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, egotistical ambition, dissentions, forming cliques and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law!

[_Maksutov]

Guess what, Nipper? The prisons are full of people who identify as Christian. "Lying and cheating" sounds like Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich, the current governor of Alabama...all Christians. I could go on and on and on and on. I'm really not impressed with your argument here.

But I read your post, so you should read these:

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi ... od/279095/

http://www.alternet.org/story/153803/White House ... th_threats

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... n-atheist/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h9IRlmk9JQ

And if you need a little icing on your cake, just check out this Google search:

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid= ... 5.3959j0j8

Gage Pulliam really wanted the plaque removed. I do not feel what he desired to do was fair to the community. I do not feel he should be threatened. He should be informed that freedom doesn't mean that the environment needs to be sanitized and exclusive to his needs. The well educated person comes to understands that there is a need for tolerance.

In the case of Jessica Ahlquist, it is never right to threaten anyone for their thoughts, even if those thoughts are religious. Now the question arises: Are other banners promoting secular thought allowed to be displayed in school? Say for example a banner promoting "GAY PRIDE"? Are not posters and banners meant to have an influence? Was this banner one of many designed by students? Can freedom of speech be exclusive of religious opinion for the sake of the irreligious? And is the eradication of religious concerns, motives, and opinions not creating an environment that in turn gives the impression that religious thought and expression is objectionable/un-American (to the impressionable mind) while secular thought is acceptable, honest and true?

One's works do not get one into heaven; however, they do bear witness to both one's motivation and character. I may add that many do become Christian in jail. They've hit bottom and seek the light.
Galatians 5:19-23
The action of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; fetishism and drug dealing; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, egotistical ambition, dissentions, forming cliques and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law

Keep thumping that Bible, Nipper. It's all you ever need in your little world. I belong to a larger universe. In my universe we don't have to rely on the garbled guesses of Genesis, we have real seers who don't have to "see through a glass darkly". We can see clearly the creation of new worlds.








https://www.spacetelescope.org/news/heic0917/

[_LittleNipper]

[qGage Pulliam really wanted the plaque removed. I do not feel what he desired to do was fair to the community. I do not feel he should be threatened. He should be informed that freedom doesn't mean that the environment needs to be sanitized and exclusive to his needs. The well educated person comes to understands that there is a need for tolerance.

In the case of Jessica Ahlquist, it is never right to threaten anyone for their thoughts, even if those thoughts are religious. Now the question arises: Are other banners promoting secular thought allowed to be displayed in school? Say for example a banner promoting "GAY PRIDE"? Are not posters and banners meant to have an influence? Was this banner one of many designed by students? Can freedom of speech be exclusive of religious opinion for the sake of the irreligious? And is the eradication of religious concerns, motives, and opinions not creating an environment that in turn gives the impression that religious thought and expression is objectionable/un-American (to the impressionable mind) while secular thought is acceptable, honest and true?

As for the case of the 2nd grader and his teacher Mrs. Myers --- we are not told the outcome. I tried looking up the court case which was from a year ago and have not discovered a verdict. This little boy known as A.B. seems to have made a little girl cry with his answer. The suit seems to promote the thought that little A.B. was very polite and gave an honest unbelligerent response. One would have to question if any 2nd grade boy is capable of not wanting to cause a little girl to cry. But without knowing the outcome, this case is questionable.

And oh really? I happen to fully agree with O'Reilly in this case.

The icing on the cake is something that a lot of free thinkers are just as capable of doing. And such behavior is wrong no matter who does it and for whatever reasons.
One's works do not get one into heaven; however, they do bear witness to both one's motivation and character. I may add that many do become Christian in jail. They've hit bottom and seek the light.
Galatians 5:19-23
The action of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; fetishism and drug dealing; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, egotistical ambition, dissentions, forming cliques and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law!

Keep thumping that Bible, Nipper. It's all you ever need in your little world. I belong to a larger universe. In my universe we don't have to rely on the garbled guesses of Genesis, we have real seers who don't have to "see through a glass darkly". We can see clearly the creation of new worlds.








https://www.spacetelescope.org/news/heic0917/

And who says that God is not still creating. Jesus Himself stated that He goes to prepare a place.... You are not showing me anything here I do not think is astounding. I just do not believe it took billions of years. And in fact it doesn't seem to be.

[_Maksutov]

Keep thumping that Bible, Nipper. It's all you ever need in your little world. I belong to a larger universe. In my universe we don't have to rely on the garbled guesses of Genesis, we have real seers who don't have to "see through a glass darkly". We can see clearly the creation of new worlds.








https://www.spacetelescope.org/news/heic0917/

And who says that God is not still creating. Jesus Himself stated that He goes to prepare a place.... You are not showing me anything here I do not think is astounding. I just do not believe it took billions of years. And in fact it doesn't seem to be.

Your Book said nothing about these images and what they represent. And they are the tiniest fraction of what we're exploring now. The stories of a tribal god making war on other tribes is a part of our archaic past, just like cave paintings.

If you wanted, you could learn more about these things. We live in a golden age of cosmic exploration, both at the macro- and micro levels. You have only to fear the loss of ignorance. You're right, this could be the work of God...but not the God of the Bible. That god is stuck in a tiny part of our planet from 3,000 years ago, as relevant as Odin or Horus.