Science is a tool that can be abused!

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Maksutov wrote:
The CCC wrote:In the LDS faith we are supposed to be able to see them. However most won't in this life. The wizard never did give the Tin Man anything he didn't already have. :smile:


You must live in the tropic of Sir Galahad. :wink:


Absolutely. :lol:
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America wrote:The wizard Oz never did give nothin' to Tin Man anything that he didn't, didn't, already have. :smile:


Maksutov wrote:You must live in the tropic of Sir Galahad. :wink:


The CCC wrote:Absolutely. :lol:


You know you want to hear it again, so here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtyKcDKU5oU
David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."

DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
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What about the tool of evolution going haywire and producing members of the Tea Party? Of course, it is probably humankind's fault for having an abundance of aluminum foil.
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LittleNipper wrote:Reasonable minds indicates rationalization. You rationalization of the data is in error due to your mindset and what you determined yourself to represent as "reasonable".


LittleNipper -

1. Is it important that the Earth possesses an exact date of creation? Why or why not?

2. What is a reasonable definition of exact, in this case?

3. What is the exact age of the Earth according to yourself? Explain how this figure is determined.

Thanks,

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Gunnar wrote:Can you think of anything that has been more blatantly abused or used to abuse than religion? I can't!


Let's see...
Government

That's about it. Of course, you combine government and religion into one entity and you get a power duo of abuse. Hurray!
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For most of recorded history, religion was government.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.

Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
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SteelHead wrote:For most of recorded history, religion was government.

I know. That's precisely when religious abuse was the worst.
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Gunnar wrote:Can you think of anything that has been more blatantly abused or used to abuse than religion? I can't!


Yes. Politics.
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SteelHead wrote:For most of recorded history, religion was government.


Prophet Kings were the Abrahamic template. That's what Joseph was trying to get back to when he had himself crowned King and was organizing the Council of 50. I'm still trying to figure where religious monarchs fit in our Constitutional system. Even in 1844 things weren't *that* loosey goosey.
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canpakes wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Reasonable minds indicates rationalization. You rationalization of the data is in error due to your mindset and what you determined yourself to represent as "reasonable".


LittleNipper -

1. Is it important that the Earth possesses an exact date of creation? Why or why not?

2. What is a reasonable definition of exact, in this case?

3. What is the exact age of the Earth according to yourself? Explain how this figure is determined.

Thanks,

-cp-

I believe the issue is that we are told that evolution is a fact and that the science is exact. Then we are told the Universe is Billions of years old. We are told the earth is billions of years old. Exactly how many billions? Do they really know or are they surmising? And if they are surmising, then how is this an exact science?

I believe Our Almighty Lord created the Universe and time approximately 10,000 years ago. He created it with an ecological maturity for the sake of the creatures He creatively designed to populate this planet. A scientist picks up a natural diamond and speculates that it took I billion to 3.3 billion years to create, how is that accurate? I need a door 7 feet tall by 3 feet wide --- the secular scientist provides one 21 feet tall by 9 feet wide and calls it in fact, an exact fit? Reduce a Billion years to seconds and you will find that a newborn would be over 31 years old when that time was up (hardly a baby anymore).

The truth be told that a door of that mismatched size would be a total waste of time, material and effort to make ---- useless for the application. Now, I do believe that GOD gave to every kind the ability to survive and adapt within God ordained parameters. This produces breeds of animals and races among humans. It doesn't cause additional kinds or competing species to arise. In fact, the opposite is the truth. There are less species today than there were even a hundred years ago and not more. There are more breeds today of horses, cows, dogs, cats, etc., but not more species.
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