Franktalk wrote:Is the brain a deterministic device? Does the body contain a soul? Your answers to these basic questions determines if you are even qualified to discuss the subject.
Most people on this planet believe that many aspects of human behavior come from the soul. They also believe that the mind of man is not deterministic. To them this is evidence that man has a soul and that there is more going on than what is seen by scientist. This is evidence based logic accepted by many people. To ignore this aspect of the human condition makes a person out of touch with most of the world. But I guess you could consider that most of the world is insane. I guess you find that funny.
Franktalk wrote:Is the brain a deterministic device? Does the body contain a soul? Your answers to these basic questions determines if you are even qualified to discuss the subject.
Franktalk wrote:Most people on this planet believe that many aspects of human behavior come from the soul. They also believe that the mind of man is not deterministic. To them this is evidence that man has a soul and that there is more going on than what is seen by scientist. This is evidence based logic accepted by many people. To ignore this aspect of the human condition makes a person out of touch with most of the world. But I guess you could consider that most of the world is insane. I guess you find that funny.
Most of the world would disagree with the findings of relativity and quantum mechanics if asked about how nature behaves. Folk knowledge is worthless Frank. Argumentum ad populum Frank.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
Franktalk wrote:Most people on this planet believe that many aspects of human behavior come from the soul.
Here it is again! Franktalk's immortal beings not on the earth must disagree with the concept of a soul.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
spotlight wrote:LittleNipper presented material showing how different chimps were from humans and therefore we could not be related due to this difference. But look at these animals that are more different from one another than a chimp is from a human that he attributes to a common ancestor on board of the ark of Noah:
I didn’t show the numbers for chimps compared to great apes and orangutans but the differences (<2000 differences) are much greater than the differences between humans and chimps. However, creationists who study “kinds” have placed all the great apes in a single “holobaramin.”
Look at the red fox and dog/wolf comparison. Here we see a whopping 2269 differences. This is close to double the differences that we find between chimps and human mtDNA genomes. Remember that many creationists wish to claim that foxes and wolves are part of the same holobaramin which means they all share a common ancestor.
The lion and tiger, which are poster species for creationists who say that evolution has happened within kinds, have 1373 differences. This is almost the same as the number of differences between humans and chimpanzees.
Look at the domesticated cat and cheetah – 1765 differences. Can creationists really claim that all these cats are actually related to a single common ancestor and probably had a single mtDNA sequence just 4000 years ago but then claim that the genetic difference between chimps and humans is so vast that it is ridiculous to think they had a common ancestor.
Look at the other bear species, especially, the Panda bear comparisons. Some are far more different from one another than the chimp and human sequences.
Sheep and goats are almost universally proclaimed by creationists to represent the same “kind” and yet again we see again that these two taxa have as many differences as humans and chimps.
Most breeds of dogs are the result of design inspired human manipulated mating over the last 200 years. The same is true among horses, cattle, and domestic cats.
LittleNipper wrote:Most breeds of dogs are the result of design inspired human manipulated mating over the last 200 years. The same is true among horses, cattle, and domestic cats.
Dogs are genetically closer to one another than are humans and chimps by the way. So there goes your argument again right down the drain. Human breeding cannot affect a very great change in the genome in 200 years time.
The problem remains. Humans and chimps are closer genetically than animals that are supposed to have descended from the same "kind" on board the ark.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
spotlight wrote:Most of the world would disagree with the findings of relativity and quantum mechanics if asked about how nature behaves. Folk knowledge is worthless Frank. Argumentum ad populum Frank.
I give more credit to the ponderings of the common man than you do. In general the common man knows there is more than what can be observed. But man gets the details wrong. But at least the common man takes the mental journey into the unknown. That is way better than a closed mind which refuses to see what most of the world knows.
Now once the common man accepts a greater reality man typically jumps into religion. That has caused some major problems in the world. It also limits the inward journey by placing idols in the mind. Idols in the mind can come from religion or science. They are just strong beliefs that interfere with the inward path. One must cast aside all beliefs if the inward path is to be productive.
The CCC wrote:Take it down a level. I am discussing the physics of what goes on in the brain.
I don't have a problem with physics. I do think the human mind is far more complex than just the series of fixed open and/or closed circuits of the brain.
I don't have a problem with physics. I do think the human mind is far more complex than just the series of fixed open and/or closed circuits of the brain.[/quote]
I don't think most current neuroscientists would describe it that way. The only person I've seen talk about brain circuits recently was Timothy Leary, and his research to demonstrate it was pretty much based on his LSD experiences. Not exactly standard science.
Franktalk wrote:Now once the common man accepts a greater reality man typically jumps into religion. That has caused some major problems in the world. It also limits the inward journey by placing idols in the mind. Idols in the mind can come from religion or science. They are just strong beliefs that interfere with the inward path. One must cast aside all beliefs if the inward path is to be productive.
This is just so full of self contradiction. Is your inward journey real or is it not real? If it is real then there would be nothing wrong with religion that describes that reality. The fact is everyone's inward journey, like everyone's dreams at night, do not agree with one another because there is nothing real associated with it.
The brain is simply a somewhat generalized device that evolved to make sense of the world. When you cut off the inputs from the world it is free to imagine those as well and try to organize itself. I keep a notepad and write down dreams upon awaking before I completely forget them to try and gain some insight into the mind. Here's one of my entries:
My mind convolved two characters (people) with products from Costco that came in jars and with being touched by my partners fingertips while I slept. The touching was associated with a particular brand of that off the shelf product in my dream. This all made perfect "sense" in my dream but immediately became nonsense upon awakening.
Your inward journey is made of just such a reality as dreams Frank. The fact that all men dream does not make them real.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
