My Favorite (to date) take down of Creationism.

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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Maksutov wrote:People in sensory deprivation studies (like the late John C. Lilly) discovered that without inputs the brain produces vivid hallucinations.


Melvin Moti did a little art installation based on "prisoner's cinema" (the phenomena of hallucination that individuals in solitary confinement often experience). He also did a short film (linked below). Whenever I watch it, I end up seeing phosphene for a few seconds to minutes afterwards.

The mind is amazing in just how vivid it can make things seem that aren't actually there.

https://vimeo.com/125474280


I had an illness once where the pain kept me awake for four days. By the end of that time I begam seeing giant white birds flapping their wings outside my bedroom window. Freaky.
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Franktalk wrote:
spotlight wrote:And yet you have presented nothing of the rest of the elephant to illustrate its existence is real. "Well there is this voice in my head when I cast aside the distractions of my sensory inputs." With nothing to chew on the brain chews on itself Frank.


But I have, you just can't see. One can touch with their hands. One can taste with their tongue. They can see light with their eyes. Some can see truth using their mind. But most choose not to.

Many people claim to have seen truth using their minds without the aid of sensory inputs. If this is really a reliable way to perceive truth, how do explain the fact that there are so many contradictory perceptions of truth perceived in this way? Is it because all those whose perceived truth disagrees with yours have not truly chosen to "see truth using their mind?" What credible justification can you possibly have for concluding that your attempt to see using your mind is any more reliable than that of anyone else whose perception of truth perceived in this way conflicts with yours?
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Gunnar wrote:Many people claim to have seen truth using their minds without the aid of sensory inputs. If this is really a reliable way to perceive truth, how do explain the fact that there are so many contradictory perceptions of truth perceived in this way? Is it because all those whose perceived truth disagrees with yours have not truly chosen to "see truth using their mind?" What credible justification can you possibly have for concluding that your attempt to see using your mind is any more reliable than that of anyone else whose perception of truth perceived in this way conflicts with yours?


I offer no proof. I can tell you that very few people can cast aside this world before they ponder truth on an inward journey. This whole place is designed to deceive us. It is designed to make us believe this is real and nothing else exist. If someone were to be held in a virtual reality simulation their whole life they would also be fooled into thinking their world was real. There is no difference. If you can comprehend the virtual world then just expand your mind and allow for the possibility that this world is also created for avatars. It just happens that our avatars are real matter.
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Franktalk wrote:
Gunnar wrote:Many people claim to have seen truth using their minds without the aid of sensory inputs. If this is really a reliable way to perceive truth, how do explain the fact that there are so many contradictory perceptions of truth perceived in this way? Is it because all those whose perceived truth disagrees with yours have not truly chosen to "see truth using their mind?" What credible justification can you possibly have for concluding that your attempt to see using your mind is any more reliable than that of anyone else whose perception of truth perceived in this way conflicts with yours?


I offer no proof. I can tell you that very few people can cast aside this world before they ponder truth on an inward journey. This whole place is designed to deceive us. It is designed to make us believe this is real and nothing else exist. If someone were to be held in a virtual reality simulation their whole life they would also be fooled into thinking their world was real. There is no difference. If you can comprehend the virtual world then just expand your mind and allow for the possibility that this world is also created for avatars. It just happens that our avatars are real matter.


Sounds like Second Life, Frank. Take lots of bitcoin. :lol:
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Maksutov wrote:Sounds like Second Life, Frank. Take lots of bitcoin. :lol:


No bitcoin required for this one.
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Franktalk wrote:This whole place is designed to deceive us.

http://psychcentral.com/ask-the-therapi ... g-reality/
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spotlight wrote:
Franktalk wrote:This whole place is designed to deceive us.

http://psychcentral.com/ask-the-therapi ... g-reality/


Yes Spotlight, you should seriously consider checking yourself in.
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Maybe a little wisdom from someone who managed to cast off the world.

http://www.brainyquote.com/slideshow/au ... uotes.html
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Socrates wrote:The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing.

You state that you know that the world is a simulation. So not a good fit for you is it? :eek: :biggrin: :lol:
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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Very few people in the history of man have managed to cast off all desires and have taken the inward journey to truth. Most of these people were hated by the men around them. To know truth is to challenge the orthodox position. Many men who knew truth were killed because of what they said. That is the way of the world. But somehow the world has still managed to retain some of their writings. Does it seem odd that the words of a man who was killed by the authorities of his time had his words preserved throughout history? Makes you wonder if somehow we have overseers that make sure some ideas are not lost.
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