My Favorite (to date) take down of Creationism.

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spotlight wrote:
Socrates wrote:The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing.

You state that you know that the world is a simulation. So not a good fit for you is it? :eek: :biggrin: :lol:


The only reason I know what I know is because I started the inward journey by casting out everything I thought I knew. The reason Socrates knew what he knew is because he took the same path. A path that people with idols in their heart can never travel.
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Franktalk wrote:The only reason I know what I know is because I started the inward journey by casting out everything I thought I knew. The reason Socrates knew what he knew is because he took the same path. A path that people with idols in their heart can never travel.


Perhaps his most important contribution to Western thought is his dialectic method of inquiry, known as the Socratic method

The influence of this approach is most strongly felt today in the use of the scientific method, in which hypothesis is the first stage. The development and practice of this method is one of Socrates' most enduring contributions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates

Hmmm, doesn't sound like you Frank. :lol:
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spotlight wrote:
Perhaps his most important contribution to Western thought is his dialectic method of inquiry, known as the Socratic method

The influence of this approach is most strongly felt today in the use of the scientific method, in which hypothesis is the first stage. The development and practice of this method is one of Socrates' most enduring contributions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates

Hmmm, doesn't sound like you Frank. :lol:


Actually it does fit with my thinking way more than yours. Where I am open to all kinds of inquiry you limit what you will ponder based on your prior assumed knowledge. Socrates would have demanded a separate verification of radiometric dating, you on the other hand feel no such verification is necessary.
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Franktalk wrote:Actually it does fit with my thinking way more than yours. Where I am open to all kinds of inquiry you limit what you will ponder based on your prior assumed knowledge. Socrates would have demanded a separate verification of radiometric dating, you on the other hand feel no such verification is necessary.


So now your inner journey allows you to channel Socrates? Put down the Shirley Maclaine, Frank, pick up an actual science text. You'll do anything to get out of study, won't you? Probably not the valedictorian, eh?
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Actually it does fit with my thinking way more than yours. Where I am open to all kinds of inquiry you limit what you will ponder based on your prior assumed knowledge.

No, based upon my prior inquiry.

Socrates would have demanded a separate verification of radiometric dating, you on the other hand feel no such verification is necessary.

Here you are incorrect yet again. You wanted to verify radiometric dating using erosion rates which is like verifying a stop watch with a sun dial. I don't think Socrates would have been on board with you there but who knows, apparently he is speaking to you through your Ouija Board.

Radiometric dating is verified Frank. Just not in the idiotic manner that you seem to think is important.
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Maksutov wrote:So now your inner journey allows you to channel Socrates? Put down the Shirley Maclaine, Frank, pick up an actual science text. You'll do anything to get out of study, won't you? Probably not the valedictorian, eh?


I know I am wasting my time but I will share some insight with you. Those who actually follow the inward path with no worldly desires receive truth. Those who receive truth receive the same kinds of messages. So the ideas of Socrates have a lot in common with the ideas that I have shared on this site. Whereas modern man can comprehend avatars and virtual reality these concepts would have been to foreign to the people who lived in the days of Socrates. So Socrates would have avoided talking about such things.

Socrates also believed in the golden rule which Jesus taught as well. These simple ideas have come to man over and over so we will be exposed to them. Also the idea that we must cast off the world in order to obtain truth came to us from Socrates and Christ as well. I am not sharing anything new. These ideas have been around for thousands of years. But these ideas fall on deaf ears. But a day will come in which man will be able to see and hear truth and know that it is truth. It will all unfold just as it has for countless planets before the earth.
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spotlight wrote:Radiometric dating is verified Frank. Just not in the idiotic manner that you seem to think is important.


That is great news. Now show me something that known to be older than 2 million years old that is verified by radiometric decay dating. Then show me something that is known to be 500 million years old and verified by radiometric dating.
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Spotlight,

Here is something to help you on your quest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQVoSyVu9rk
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Franktalk wrote:Whereas modern man can comprehend avatars and virtual reality these concepts would have been too foreign to the people who lived in the days of Socrates. So Socrates would have avoided talking about such things.

Oh that's why. I have misplaced my Ouija Board so I was left in the dark on this point.

Also the idea that we must cast off the world in order to obtain truth came to us from Socrates

Umm, his method has to do with gaining knowledge about the world through the scientific method, not about gaining unverifiable insights into your fantasy world.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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Franktalk wrote:Spotlight,

Here is something to help you on your quest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQVoSyVu9rk

Yes, and your point being?
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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