spotlight wrote:Au contraire, I have the standard of evidence, you lack the standard.
Boy do you flip flop. Do you require evidence to laugh at a joke?
Yes there are aspects of life that don't require evidence like breathing, sleeping, loving, laughing, eating, etc. These however are not an attempt to model reality. When we wish to make a model of reality we examine the evidence we can all agree on which is labeled objective evidence. We do this to filter out the subjective inputs to our model that might be based on things that are merely imagined to be so or wished to be so.
The fact that life consists of some things which need no evidence is not support for constructing a model of reality that excludes evidence as input.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
spotlight wrote:Yes there are aspects of life that don't require evidence like breathing, sleeping, loving, laughing, eating, etc. These however are not an attempt to model reality. When we wish to make a model of reality we examine the evidence we can all agree on which is labeled objective evidence. We do this to filter out the subjective inputs to our model that might be based on things that are merely imagined to be so or wished to be so.
The fact that life consists of some things which need no evidence is not support for constructing a model of reality that excludes evidence as input.
So when I model reality I am not to include the mind. Got it. So glad you made that clear. Now can you explain why I should not include the mind when I model reality? For some strange reason I always thought the mind was part of reality.
Franktalk wrote:So when I model reality I am not to include the mind. Got it. So glad you made that clear. Now can you explain why I should not include the mind when I model reality? For some strange reason I always thought the mind was part of reality.
You have to verify that what you observe via the mind is objective. That is the only way to filter out the subjective noise that exists in the minds of all. That we can all agree on what we observe is the only method we have to know that a reality exists in the first place.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
spotlight wrote:Yes there are aspects of life that don't require evidence like breathing, sleeping, loving, laughing, eating, etc. These however are not an attempt to model reality. When we wish to make a model of reality we examine the evidence we can all agree on which is labeled objective evidence. We do this to filter out the subjective inputs to our model that might be based on things that are merely imagined to be so or wished to be so.
The fact that life consists of some things which need no evidence is not support for constructing a model of reality that excludes evidence as input.
So when I model reality I am not to include the mind. Got it. So glad you made that clear. Now can you explain why I should not include the mind when I model reality? For some strange reason I always thought the mind was part of reality.
I think it's telling that you have to create a strawman every time you respond. Spotlight didn't say that. You're making it up, Frank. Do you have to resort to that because you have nothing else? It certainly appears so.
The mind can be and is studied as a product of the brain. Things that happen to the brain affect the mind. Trying to turn this into some supernatural or transcendent is unnecessary and counterproductive. You're trying to push the idea of dualism and there's no convincing evidence for that, after all the years of research into parapsychology and OOBEs.
Maksutov wrote:I think it's telling that you have to create a strawman every time you respond. Spotlight didn't say that. You're making it up, Frank. Do you have to resort to that because you have nothing else? It certainly appears so.
The mind can be and is studied as a product of the brain. Things that happen to the brain affect the mind. Trying to turn this into some supernatural or transcendent is unnecessary and counterproductive. You're trying to push the idea of dualism and there's no convincing evidence for that, after all the years of research into parapsychology and OOBEs.
You should reread what Spotlight wrote. He basically said that the neural aspect of the mind should not be used to form a picture of reality. No strawman. Why must you make up stuff?
We all live in a place fashioned for us. Some see this and most do not. You and your science can not disprove what I say. But you can define the rules in such a way that your views are considered the correct way and any other method of examination is considered wrong or invalid. It is just a group of people defining a system of self fulfilling prophecies.
Maksutov wrote:I think it's telling that you have to create a strawman every time you respond. Spotlight didn't say that. You're making it up, Frank. Do you have to resort to that because you have nothing else? It certainly appears so.
The mind can be and is studied as a product of the brain. Things that happen to the brain affect the mind. Trying to turn this into some supernatural or transcendent is unnecessary and counterproductive. You're trying to push the idea of dualism and there's no convincing evidence for that, after all the years of research into parapsychology and OOBEs.
You should reread what Spotlight wrote. He basically said that the neural aspect of the mind should not be used to form a picture of reality. No strawman. Why must you make up stuff?
We all live in a place fashioned for us. Some see this and most do not. You and your science can not disprove what I say. But you can define the rules in such a way that your views are considered the correct way and any other method of examination is considered wrong or invalid. It is just a group of people defining a system of self fulfilling prophecies.
This place was not designed for us. We biologically are naked apes living in a hot jungle environment. We have used our brains and hands to modify this place to our uses.
The CCC wrote:This place was not designed for us. We biologically are naked apes living in a hot jungle environment. We have used our brains and hands to modify this place to our uses.
That is a view of reality. But what is a biological creature? You may say it is something that nature made by accident. I say there is no such thing as a biological creature. I say every life form on this planet is man made, a robot. As we make better and better robots we find ourselves making models that are closer and closer to what we are. Given a few billion years I am pretty sure we could make human bodies.
In time we will be able to download our mind into a robot. All I am saying is we have already done so. All of us are downloaded into what we think is a biological creature. You see once you realize we can't enter eternity but are already in it then thinking the way I do is a natural consequence.
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Franktalk wrote:You should reread what Spotlight wrote. He basically said that the neural aspect of the mind should not be used to form a picture of reality. No strawman. Why must you make up stuff?
I did? The mind models reality and it makes mistakes doing so as well as getting some things right. The mind does both a good job and a bad job simultaneously. The way we filter out the bad aspects is by seeing what we can all agree upon which we call the objective acceptable evidence worthy of use to make a model of reality. The parts we disagree about like dreams etc is not useful to construct a model of reality since it is merely imagined in the mind and relates to nothing external or real.
Franktalk wrote:It is just a group of people defining a system of self fulfilling prophecies.
Imagine that, the scientists make up some BS chemistry laws that have no relation whatsoever to reality and water can be made from hydrogen and oxygen! It's a self fulfilling prophecy! Had we altered the BS laws and said hydrogen and oxygen combine to make gold instead then that would have happened instead!
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
Franktalk wrote: I say there is no such thing as a biological creature.
I call dibs! Another addition for my signature line!
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
I'm way ahead of you.