Science is a tool that can be abused!

[_The CCC]

Maksutov:

Pot meet kettle.

[_Maksutov]

Maksutov:

Pot meet kettle.

Please explain.

[_The CCC]

"You can project anything you want onto anything you want. It's your imagination".

[_Maksutov]

"You can project anything you want onto anything you want. It's your imagination".

Yep. We're good at coming up with ideas but that's not enough to congratulate ourselves or terminate further investigation. That's why we've developed ways to test hypotheses.

[_The CCC]

"You can project anything you want onto anything you want. It's your imagination".

Yep. We're good at coming up with ideas but that's not enough to congratulate ourselves or terminate further investigation. That's why we've developed ways to test hypotheses.

At some point we have to accept on faith what anyone says. We all can't be experts in everything. IE; I've never been to China, and it doesn't look like I'll get there any time soon. But I've talked to people, read books, and seen pictures from people I trust to have considerable confidence that there really is China.

[_Maksutov]

Yep. We're good at coming up with ideas but that's not enough to congratulate ourselves or terminate further investigation. That's why we've developed ways to test hypotheses.

At some point we have to accept on faith what anyone says. We all can't be experts in everything. IE; I've never been to China, and it doesn't look like I'll get there any time soon. But I've talked to people, read books, and seen pictures from people I trust to have considerable confidence that there really is China.

I see it as "trust" or "confidence" rather than faith. I have trust and/or confidence in sources of information that have demonstrated their reliability. When I think of "faith", I think of it in terms of "good faith" and "bad faith". I got a Lockheed program director fired once because I showed "bad faith" on his part from documents and witnesses. The "faith" of the religious is infinitely variable in meaning depending on each group's idiosyncracies.

[_The CCC]

Faith really is just trust. It may be well justified, or it may not. Even a religious context doesn't change the basic point of who/what you trust(Have faith in).

[_Maksutov]

Faith really is just trust. It may be well justified, or it may not. Even a religious context doesn't change the basic point of who/what you trust(Have faith in).

Except that faith in a faith healer who explains everything with "God did it" is very different from trust in a trained and experienced physician who can show you x-rays and lab results and invites you to get a second opinion. The lack of clarity on this issue is why affinity fraud is so frequent among the LDS.

[_Themis]

Faith really is just trust. It may be well justified, or it may not. Even a religious context doesn't change the basic point of who/what you trust(Have faith in).

Trust on who? Can't be God. You don't know him. You have only been told, by people, who or what God is supposed to be. Your trust is in what these people told you.

[_Franktalk]

Who do you trust the most? Do you trust those around you or do you trust your own mind? What if your mind led you to truth but provided no evidence for that truth. Do you then cast out your own mind and place your trust in others?

When I cast off the world and was led by my mind to truth I trusted that my mind was designed to do what it was doing. Most of the mind is filled with imagination, I have used it to write two scifi books (unpublished). So I am aware of how the mind can indeed create from almost nothing. But I also experienced a different path in the mind that can lead to truth. Do I cast off that experience so the world will love me, or do I cast off the world and accept truth? Knowing all along that if I embrace truth the world will hate me.

Joh_15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

What a strange thing for Christ to say. But now I know exactly why He said it. You can only have one master. You can master your own mind and not be tossed about by the world or you can surrender to the world and let the world determine your life. The world is filled with avatars that have surrendered their mind, the world loves them. But when the world sees an avatar not controlled by the world it will fight against that avatar.