The white elephant in the room (though a bad analogy) is GOD. You idolize TIME as your god and have pushed away any belief in an eternal Creator Lord who outshines time. The biblical account stands firm in GOD. Your god Time is as shifting as you are --- wavering back and forth...
Time does not waver back and forth LittlNipper. They found older specimens. They did not change the date associated with any particular fossil find. Besides radiometric dating there is dating by measuring the shorter days recorded in fossil corals due to the energy loss to the moon because of tides. We can measure the recession of the moon now that we have left laser reflectors on its surface. Milankovitch cycles are also recorded in the geology of the earth and prove it is old. These different methods agree with one another. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1986AREPS..14..351F
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
Spotlight made some excellent points, LN. Your espousal of the extreme views of YEC only damages the credibility and respectability of religion, in general, and Christianity in particular. You, unfortunately, seem to have no clue to the inadvertent damage you are doing to the respectability and credibility of your fellow Christians. I have little doubt that you have de converted more from Christianity than you have converted to Christianity.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
Gunnar wrote:Spotlight made some excellent points, LN. Your espousal of the extreme views of YEC only damages the credibility and respectability of religion, in general, and Christianity in particular. You, unfortunately, seem to have no clue to the inadvertent damage you are doing to the respectability and credibility of your fellow Christians. I have little doubt that you have de converted more from Christianity than you have converted to Christianity.
It's fascinating to me the things that people will hang their religious identity on. Some of it seems so obvious and arbitrary but to reconsider it means doubting everything.
Just what is Creationism? Is it a belief that supernatural powers caused everything to pop into existence? If that is so then I am not a creationist because I do not believe in supernatural powers. It is my belief that there are advanced beings that have been around for eternity. I also believe these beings know everything that can be known. So their science may appear to be supernatural to us. Seeing the advancements in knowledge during the last 100 years I can project in my mind and see a future filled with things we would consider impossible today, or even supernatural.
So if advanced beings made this earth using natural means but means we do not know about is it creationism? I for one would not consider it creationism. But the ego of man likes to think we are the top of the evolutionary food chain. A chain they limit in their mind to humans as they exist on the earth in a mortal state. The mind of man can indeed project advancements in knowledge. We see this in books and on film. But the ego of man pushes back against the future man, men living today don't want to imagine a future in which their current knowledge is considered silly and out of date. The ego of man prefers to think of the future as adding to current knowledge around the edges but the core beliefs prove out to be true. This is of course a silly position to take. If the history of science teaches us anything it teaches us that the future will wipe away what we believe. I can see this future but it scares the hell out of current scientist. This is because they tie their personal worth to what they know. And to accept a future in which their theories are dashed to pieces is not acceptable.
I bring up a possible explanation for reality in which any writer of scifi would find interesting. But these same ideas when presented to a scientist are rejected as the ramblings of a mad man. The difference does not go unnoticed. Where one group has an open mind able to project many possible futures the other group is closed minded. But it does make for a very interesting mix of people.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
The CCC wrote:While we do expect some modifications to our currant understanding of science it is unlikely to them to be dashed to pieces.
Thank you for verifying my statements. But it is not your fault. This is the way you were taught. Very few can break the bonds of the traditions of their fathers.
Franktalk wrote:Thank you for verifying my statements. But it is not your fault. This is the way you were taught. Very few can break the bonds of the traditions of their fathers.
This is what passes for "evidence" in Frank's world. What was it he said about self fulfilling prophecies?
It is not your fault CCC that your ego is not large enough to imagine that your fantasies are more significant than factual evidence or that you fail to confuse the scientific method with tradition. Millions of years from today we will laugh at how silly we were to think that the earth orbited the sun.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
spotlight wrote: It is not your fault CCC that your ego is not large enough to imagine that your fantasies are more significant than factual evidence or that you fail to confuse the scientific method with tradition. Millions of years from today we will laugh at how silly we were to think that the earth orbited the sun.
We don't have to wait that long. Fully 1/4 of adult Americans still believes the sun revolves around the earth.
Franktalk wrote:Thank you for verifying my statements. But it is not your fault. This is the way you were taught. Very few can break the bonds of the traditions of their fathers.
This is what passes for "evidence" in Frank's world. What was it he said about self fulfilling prophecies?
It is not your fault CCC that your ego is not large enough to imagine that your fantasies are more significant than factual evidence or that you fail to confuse the scientific method with tradition. Millions of years from today we will laugh at how silly we were to think that the earth orbited the sun.
It's Franktalktalktalktalktalk without saying anything. Quite an art, actually. Maybe I should reconsider him as a Poe-performance artist.
What was it he said about self fulfilling prophecies? 
