CCC wrote:The Miracle of Forgiveness isn't part of LDS Theology
Well how convenient. In any case it's good to know that the leaders, you know the prophets, are daft idiots that can be safely dismissed as spewing non theological nonsense.
Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, (1969) p 127
As I was riding along the road on my mule I suddenly noticed a very strange personage walking beside me…his head was about even with my shoulders as I sat in my saddle. He wore no clothing, but was covered with hair. His skin was very dark. I asked him where he dwelt and he replied that he had no home, that he was a wanderer in the earth and traveled to and fro. He said he was a very miserable creature, that he had earnestly sought death during his sojourn upon the earth, but that he could not die, and his mission was to destroy the souls of men.I rebuked him in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by virtue of the Holy Priesthood, and commanded him to go hence, and he immediately departed out of my sight...
A 1919 manuscript describes the account of a missionary serving in Hawaii, E. Wesley Smith, "being attacked by a huge, hairy creature, whom Smith drives off in the name of Christ" the night before the mission was dedicated. According to Bowman, Joseph Fielding Smith tells E. Wesley Smith the attacker must've been Cain, referencing Moses 5:35-36 ("Now therefore cursed shalt thou be upon the earth, which hath opened her mouth and received the blood of thy brother at thy hand...a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be upon the earth.") He then referred Elder Wesley Smith to the story of David Patten. If the manuscript is to be believed, then it would appear that Joseph Fielding Smith also believed Patten’s story of Cain. see Mormon think
Newsroom vs the words of Christ, hmmm tough choice. I'll go with the words of Christ on this one, " By their fruits ye shall know them."
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
The CCC wrote: Even today a Sealing is not marriage. The LDS are married by the laws of the state. The Sealing is a religious ceremony.
I've said nothing about Brigham Young.
Try reading what I said. I said it depends on the sealing. People getting sealed in the temple are also marriages whether some countries recognize them or not. In the US sealing's are legally recognized as a marriage, where in the UK they are not. The LDS church recognizes sealing's in both countries as marriages, and only require you to first get married in the UK to meet legal requirements. It is seen by the church as both a religious ceremony and a marriage. There is really no major differences between the two in LDS thought. The same applies to Joseph and BY marrying all those women including the ones BY married in Joseph's harem. Now BY was not sealed to these women, but it was a marriage in which he got them pregnant. These sealing's have always been viewed as marriages, while many marriages will not be viewed as sealing's unless done a certain way. You are predictably avoiding the facts about Joseph's sealing's were always viewed by Joseph and others like BY as a marriage.
The CCC wrote: Even today a Sealing is not marriage. The LDS are married by the laws of the state. The Sealing is a religious ceremony.
I've said nothing about Brigham Young.
Try reading what I said. I said it depends on the sealing. People getting sealed in the temple are also marriages whether some countries recognize them or not. In the US sealing's are legally recognized as a marriage, where in the UK they are not. The LDS church recognizes sealing's in both countries as marriages, and only require you to first get married in the UK to meet legal requirements. It is seen by the church as both a religious ceremony and a marriage. There is really no major differences between the two in LDS thought. The same applies to Joseph and BY marrying all those women including the ones BY married in Joseph's harem. Now BY was not sealed to these women, but it was a marriage in which he got them pregnant. These sealing's have always been viewed as marriages, while many marriages will not be viewed as sealing's unless done a certain way. You are predictably avoiding the facts about Joseph's sealing's were always viewed by Joseph and others like BY as a marriage.
Even in the US Sealings are not marriages. We are married by the laws of the state, and Sealed by the rules of the Church. That they are parts of the same ceremony is irrelevant.
Your reference doesn't support your viewpoint here. In fact it supports the idea of being bound by your leaders more than scripture. The part that refers to scripture was explained not to be the standard works but the new translation of the scriptures in your reference.
Try this instead:
D&C 68:4
In a recent meeting Elder Bednar was asked a question by a sister missionary about women and the priesthood. He’ gave his own thoughts about the subject and when he concluded, the sister asked a follow up question. “Are there any scriptures that talk about this subject?” Elder Bednar responded, “I am scripture.”
And when not moved upon by the HG it does not help that the leaders by and large are ignorant fruits.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
The CCC wrote: Even in the US Sealings are not marriages. We are married by the laws of the state, and Sealed by the rules of the Church. That they are parts of the same ceremony is irrelevant.
I have never seen a member think this outside of apologia. I suspect this is due to Joseph's marriages to many women and all the crap that went with it. You realize he had sex with many of them? Sealing's of opposite sex people are marriages in the LDS church. It's also referred to as a temple marriage or an eternal marriage. This is why marriages outside of the temple or not seen as sealing's. Temple marriage is also a temple sealing. You are playing apologia to try and separate the two when the church does not. You do this because of the problems with Joseph's many women and how you think you can defend his actions.
