Science is a tool that can be abused!

[_spotlight]

Yes the animals of this earth are patterned after the designs of animals designed over countless planetary systems. It is all part of the seeding that takes place. Even the common ancestor is part of the system of seeding.

ERVs are not designed. That is a glitch in your idea. ERVs are damage to the DNA from viruses.

Also you are essentially ascribing the modification over time to designers where the ToE ascribes it to mutation. Guess which one we see happening before our eyes in real time?

The last step to form a brain that can form a bond with an advanced being is done as I have said.

Except the evidence shows that the mind is what the brain does. It does not show us that there exists a higher mind whose channel of communication merely gets muddled when we play with the brain. It shows us a mind itself that gets muddled. That shoots the dualism along with avatars inside some kind of a simulation out of the running of possible scenarios that fit the data.

The design of this place can not give away any clues of what is truly going on. That would spoil how we embed ourselves in this physical world.

An unfalsifiable assertion that can't be tested is useless as a hypothesis to ascertain reality. But the previous comment does a pretty good job of it I think.

Just imagine in the future a group of people designing a digital simulation of a universe. Then if people have their memories blocked when they enter the simulation they would feel the simulation is real.

Here's a very simple way to disprove this. All you need to do is go get drunk. Being drunk is only being simulated of course which would explain the muddled communication between the brain and your simulated surroundings. What a simulation can't explain is the changes that take place to the mind itself which is not simulated but is only immersed in the simulation.

To escape the boredom of knowing everything

Which is why you won't have anything to do with science?

We have free will so any human in this reality can have access to the knowledge of how this reality is designed.

Oh so you mean that by learning science we will arrive at an understanding of how it all works.

His promise that death loses its sting and many other things turn out to be true.

I think maybe you have conflated not being afraid of death because of your beliefs (like those who flew planes into the twin towers overcame that fear) with actual resurrection for which we have no useful evidence. Anyway even watching resurrection take place would not mean anything in your world view as it is only a simulation.

And His statement that no one will believe you is also true. To me it is confirmation. But it all personal evidence.

It doesn't take much to convince yourself does it? This is your evidence that you talked about earlier? You accept this "evidence" while rejecting all the evidence accumulated by scientists? Wow Frank.

[_Gunnar]

Franktalk, how can you not see that what you are claiming is not the slightest bit less outlandish and silly than what you criticized Mormon prophets for claiming? This fits your pattern of confidently asserting the truth of things you think of that by your own admission have no supporting evidence at all, while questioning the truth of scientific reality that is very abundantly supported by evidence. Whether you believe it or not, your unsupported inner thoughts can not be a more reliable guide to truth than solid, empirical and repeatable evidence, and certainly unlikely to be any more reliable than those of any other mystics or would-be prophets. That you seem unable to understand this very obvious fact is remarkably solipsistic and irrational of you.

What I claim I feel is true. I really don't care if anyone accepts it. Please just treat it as an opinion that you can toss away. I do not desire a church, I do not desire followers, I do not desire money or any recognition for these beliefs. But crazier things have been accepted by man. The whole quantum mechanics thing is pretty weird. But man in general has accepted it as reality. But because quantum mechanics is part of the physical world it can be tested and it has proved out so far. The things I talk about can not be tested except at a personal level. No second person evidence can be gathered together. This is the way it all has been designed. This keeps the natural world in a state where we get emotionally attached to it. It matters to us. We are driven to fix it or break it. A wonderful place to experience a mortal life even though we are in reality eternal creatures.

One can look at religion in two ways. One could say it is a man made system to moderate the fear of death. Or another way of looking at it is we all have a feeling that there is more going on than we can see. We just get all of the details wrong. I see religion as a mixture of the two. To be honest religion really stirs the pot so man has a real nonboring life down here.

It still looks like solipsism to me. If all humans thought the way you do, it is highly unlikely that mankind would ever have advanced beyond the Stone Age, or, for that matter, even have advanced that far, let alone survived as a species.

[_Maksutov]

What I claim I feel is true. I really don't care if anyone accepts it. Please just treat it as an opinion that you can toss away. I do not desire a church, I do not desire followers, I do not desire money or any recognition for these beliefs. But crazier things have been accepted by man. The whole quantum mechanics thing is pretty weird. But man in general has accepted it as reality. But because quantum mechanics is part of the physical world it can be tested and it has proved out so far. The things I talk about can not be tested except at a personal level. No second person evidence can be gathered together. This is the way it all has been designed. This keeps the natural world in a state where we get emotionally attached to it. It matters to us. We are driven to fix it or break it. A wonderful place to experience a mortal life even though we are in reality eternal creatures.

One can look at religion in two ways. One could say it is a man made system to moderate the fear of death. Or another way of looking at it is we all have a feeling that there is more going on than we can see. We just get all of the details wrong. I see religion as a mixture of the two. To be honest religion really stirs the pot so man has a real nonboring life down here.

It still looks like solipsism to me. If all humans thought the way you do, it is highly unlikely that mankind would ever have advanced beyond the Stone Age, or, for that matter, even have advanced that far, let alone survived as a species.

If you want to see a society that lives the Frank way, look at India. They haven't been able to pull out of their "inner journey" enough to deal with starvation, disease, illiteracy. They have a low standard of technology. They have a predatory industry of "holy men" who go around defrauding the people. They have misogyny, racism and a rigid caste system. But they meditate and they have a vast vocabulary of interior events and processes, systems of philosophy, dozens of gods, each with their own story, own followers, own festivals and rites.

No thanks. I toss away Frank's opinion again, as he requested.

[_Themis]

To thine own self be true.

One thing that is true is your avoidance of issues uncomfortable to LDS truth claims.

[_Gunnar]

If you want to see a society that lives the Frank way, look at India. They haven't been able to pull out of their "inner journey" enough to deal with starvation, disease, illiteracy. They have a low standard of technology. They have a predatory industry of "holy men" who go around defrauding the people. They have misogyny, racism and a rigid caste system. But they meditate and they have a vast vocabulary of interior events and processes, systems of philosophy, dozens of gods, each with their own story, own followers, own festivals and rites.

No thanks. I toss away Frank's opinion again, as he requested.

So true (apparently) of India, and yet, paradoxically, many high tech jobs, especially in information technology customer service and software engineering have been outsourced to India, and some of the greatest mathematicians and scientists who ever lived have come from India, like Subramanyan Chandrasekhar and the amazing but all too short lived Srinivasa Ramanujan. And don't forget that we owe to the Indians the invention of the zero and the place value numerical notation system without which modern science and technology would probably have been impossible!

[_The CCC]

To thine own self be true.

One thing that is true is your avoidance of issues uncomfortable to LDS truth claims.

I accepted the LDS Truth Claims a long time ago. I've never had to accept some mortals explanation of them.
SEE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_claim

[_spotlight]

The CCC was given a special dispensation of gospel truth and was not required to take the missionary lessons.

[_Themis]

I accepted the LDS Truth Claims a long time ago. I've never had to accept some mortals explanation of them.

But that is exactly what you have done. You have accepted some mortals explanation of the truth claims and how they want you to interpret sensations being from God.

[_DrW]

If you want to see a society that lives the Frank way, look at India. They haven't been able to pull out of their "inner journey" enough to deal with starvation, disease, illiteracy. They have a low standard of technology. They have a predatory industry of "holy men" who go around defrauding the people. They have misogyny, racism and a rigid caste system. But they meditate and they have a vast vocabulary of interior events and processes, systems of philosophy, dozens of gods, each with their own story, own followers, own festivals and rites.

No thanks. I toss away Frank's opinion again, as he requested.

Maks,

Christa Tippett ( On Being) decided to have herself interviewed on NPR. That interview was broadcast here last weekend. She mentioned several times her feeling that a lot of powerful people with meaningful careers (in Washington D.C., for example) have what she considered to be an fully inadequate "inner life". In thinking about her concern for successful people, I came up with the same example you did - India. (What are the chances?)

Anyway, I've worked in India on a number of projects and I have seen first hand the kind of "inner life" - oriented society you describe above. I pretty much agree with your observations.

An aspect of the story I would add is that, here in the US we seldom, if ever, have the opportunity come in contact with Indians from the countryside or the lower castes - the ones who are the main products of the culture that you describe. The reason is simple - they never make it here to the US.

They do make it to the Middle East, however, and it is there that one can see the stark contrast between an "inner life" oriented culture and a culture that is more focussed on looking to the future, and on trying to make make it better for everyone by research and development and application of technology.

Away from their "inner life" communal / social system, the less educated / lower caste Indians do not do well - at all. And when you get a chance to talk with some of them, one on one, you learn fairly quickly that they would exchange their rich inner life for a not so rich western lifestyle in a heartbeat. (No one is denying that they can find ways to be content in their own skins, pretty much no matter how materially poor or bereft.)

Once out in the real world (Oman, Saudi Arabia, UAE) where they contract to work, however, they soon come to realize that positively affecting those around you, and society in general, requires material resources. And, in general, these are resources that their cultural emphasis on "inner life" (a Christa Tippett code word for religion) has denied them.

[_Franktalk]

So true (apparently) of India, and yet, paradoxically, many high tech jobs, especially in information technology customer service and software engineering have been outsourced to India, and some of the greatest mathematicians and scientists who ever lived have come from India, like Subramanyan Chandrasekhar and the amazing but all too short lived Srinivasa Ramanujan. And don't forget that we owe to the Indians the invention of the zero and the place value numerical notation system without which modern science and technology would probably have been impossible!

Thanks for this. Apparently M likes to pigeon hole people. I find that the spiritual in India tend to teach peace and tolerance. Something I find enlightening and not backwards.