FT wrote:Most do not wish to have the mysteries laid open to view.
Why that would be the case I cannot fathom. But perhaps you could mention somebody else alive besides Jo that sees things the way you do? Anyone at all? Or are you two it when it comes to knowledge of these hidden mysteries?
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
FT wrote:Most do not wish to have the mysteries laid open to view.
Why that would be the case I cannot fathom. But perhaps you could mention somebody else alive besides Jo that sees things the way you do? Anyone at all? Or are you two it when it comes to knowledge of these hidden mysteries?
And why would I do that? I am not like you, I find no support in a show of hands. If others want to take a path towards truth then good for them. But that has no effect on me. You see I do not rest on institutions and a hierarchy of priest.
spotlight wrote:What Frank misses here is the time limit of life on earth orbiting our sun. Something like 8 to 10 billion years at most before the expanding sun will end it all for life on earth. So the eternal beings, not being in any particular hurry because hey they are eternal and rather lethargic in getting around to getting things done since there is nothing pressing them to act quickly when you live forever you know. These eternal beings after wasting the first 5 billion years to get to the point where they can put man onto their terraformed world have a couple of billion years before the planet is engulfed by the expanding sun. So they have wasted most of the time the earth can exist on... wait for it... an nice place for single celled organisms to exist. Yeah that makes a lot of sense, not.
Actually you did a great job of using the logic of a finite beast. Good for you.
So tell me Spotlight have you ever waited while something was being heated in the microwave? Earth's 4.5 billion years compared to eternity is a much shorter period of time in relative terms. You would know that if you had given what I said any thought at all.
He was an honest man. I see few around that match his honesty. Like the work of Kuhn it has been twisted into some strange beast by science.
Wait. You think Gould supports your nuttery?
Gould wrote:Since we proposed punctuated equilibria to explain trends, it is infuriating to be quoted again and again by creationists—whether through design or stupidity, I do not know—as admitting that the fossil record includes no transitional forms.
no biologist has been lead to doubt the fact that evolution occurred; we are debating how it happened.
In 1972 my colleague Niles Eldredge and I developed the theory of punctuated equilibrium. We argued that two outstanding facts of the fossil record—geologically "sudden" origin of new species and failure to change thereafter (stasis)—reflect the predictions of evolutionary theory, not the imperfections of the fossil record.
In most theories, small isolated populations are the source of new species, and the process of speciation takes thousands or tens of thousands of years. This amount of time, so long when measured against our lives, is a geological microsecond. It represents much less than 1 per cent of the average life-span for a fossil invertebrate species—more than ten million years. Large, widespread, and well established species, on the other hand, are not expected to change very much. We believe that the inertia of large populations explains the stasis of most fossil species over millions of years.
The third argument is more direct: transitions are often found in the fossil record. Preserved transitions are not common—and should not be, according to our understanding of evolution (see next section) but they are not entirely wanting, as creationists often claim. The lower jaw of reptiles contains several bones, that of mammals only one. The non-mammalian jawbones are reduced, step by step, in mammalian ancestors until they become tiny nubbins located at the back of the jaw. The "hammer" and "anvil" bones of the mammalian ear are descendants of these nubbins. How could such a transition be accomplished? the creationists ask. Surely a bone is either entirely in the jaw or in the ear. Yet paleontologists have discovered two transitional lineages of therapsids (the so-called mammal-like reptiles) with a double jaw joint—one composed of the old quadrate and articular bones (soon to become the hammer and anvil), the other of the squamosal and dentary bones (as in modern mammals). For that matter, what better transitional form could we expect to find than the oldest human, Australopithecus afarensis, with its apelike palate, its human upright stance, and a cranial capacity larger than any ape’s of the same body size but a full 1,000 cubic centimeters below ours? If God made each of the half-dozen human species discovered in ancient rocks, why did he create in an unbroken temporal sequence of progressively more modern features—increasing cranial capacity, reduced face and teeth, larger body size? Did he create to mimic evolution and test our faith thereby?
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
Scientific development depends in part on a process of non-incremental or revolutionary change. Some revolutions are large, like those associated with the names of Copernicus, Newton, or Darwin, -Kuhn
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
Franktalk wrote:Most do not wish to have the mysteries laid open to view.
spotlight wrote:Why that would be the case I cannot fathom. But perhaps you could mention somebody else alive besides Jo that sees things the way you do? Anyone at all? Or are you two it when it comes to knowledge of these hidden mysteries?
Franktalk wrote:And why would I do that? I am not like you, I find no support in a show of hands. If others want to take a path towards truth then good for them. But that has no effect on me. You see I do not rest on institutions and a hierarchy of priest.
So In other words you know of no one besides you that holds to your particular viewpoint. And yet you are sure it is correct.
an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
Franktalk wrote:Actually you did a great job of using the logic of a finite beast.
That which constitutes correct logic changes depending on the length of one's existence? Interesting "logic" there Frank.
So tell me Spotlight have you ever waited while something was being heated in the microwave?
Bad analogy Frank. Terraforming could be accomplished in much less time than billions of years. What took time by natural processes was the wait for evolution to create a kind of lifeform that produced oxygen. There would be no need for this if life is merely transplanted via your beliefs. http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... tmosphere/
Earth's 4.5 billion years compared to eternity is a much shorter period of time in relative terms.
Really? You don't say. I wish I could say I've learned something by interacting with you online. I really do.
You would know that if you had given what I said any thought at all.
What is lacking is you giving what you say any thought at all.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
This statement by Gould is noteworthy in that this type of behavior is seen even in computer simulations of evolution.
Gould wrote:In 1972 my colleague Niles Eldredge and I developed the theory of punctuated equilibrium. We argued that two outstanding facts of the fossil record—geologically "sudden" origin of new species and failure to change thereafter (stasis)—reflect the predictions of evolutionary theory, not the imperfections of the fossil record.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
