Science is a tool that can be abused!

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The CCC wrote:
The reason for asking is that having a priori of Theism or Atheism predetermines the outcome. In scientific terms God, or lack thereof, is a non-testable hypothesis. As such God is outside the realm of science.


Sorry, not how it works. If God is a real entity as you assert then it is testable hypothesis. So it is not outside the realm of science like you are desperate to assert. The problem is that you have no evidence to support your belief, and your assertions are vague enough to try and create gaps to try and hide in.
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Frank,
Have you yourself not admitted several times across the course of the thread that you have no evidence for most of your assertions?
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Franktalk wrote:
The CCC wrote:Personally I care nothing for any God but one. I'm fine with your beliefs. Believe anything you want.


I really do wish man would live this way.


Religious groups are the worst in trying to force others to follow their rules. Making laws about which bathroom transgender people have to use.
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SteelHead wrote:Frank,
Have you yourself not admitted several times across the course of the thread that you have no evidence for most of your assertions?


Whats worse is he cannot articulate how he thinks these beliefs are true for him. I can understand one may not be able to reproduce evidence they think they have received, but it's worse when they cannot articulate the experience to show how they see it as evidence. While I know LDS may think certain feelings are evidence, they can at least describe the experience, their interpretation, and why they think it is evidence the interpretation is true. Most obviously wont agree with their interpretation as correct, but at least they can see how how they got where they are.
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Franktalk wrote:The problem comes from extending collected evidence into an interpretation. Then you consider your interpretation as evidence which it is not.

Basic fact without any interpretation: getting drunk does more than affect the communication path between the putative soul and the body. It affects the soul itself.

This fact contradicts the interpretation of an existing soul that directs the body via the brain.
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spotlight wrote:Basic fact without any interpretation: getting drunk does more than affect the communication path between the putative soul and the body. It affects the soul itself.

This fact contradicts the interpretation of an existing soul that directs the body via the brain.


You mean if I drop my cell phone I take down the cell towers? You will have to do better Spotlight.

Some time back people enjoyed looking at the stars. Now many people can't look at the stars without thinking about what man thinks about starlight. So far man has many ideas about starlight and I am sure man will discover things in the future which will change the way we view starlight once again. You see I have confidence that man will discover many new things in the future which will make the future exciting. But I wonder if we will ever have the same amazement looking at the stars we had before all of this research. The starlight has not changed but man has.

Man has observed waves change due to motion. Man has also observed waves change when in gravity. How many more ways will man discover that also effect waves? I sure don't know the answer to that question. And neither does science. But that does not stop science from declaring that waves change only due to what we have discovered so far. You see Spotlight I do not accept the limitations that your beliefs place on you. But if you wish to live in your fixed world that is up to you. Be happy. I am happy for you. For me man has not figured out everything about starlight. For me the mystery still exist. I can tell you it is a great way to live.
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Themis wrote:Whats worse is he cannot articulate how he thinks these beliefs are true for him.


I have described the path many times. You and others reject the idea that a path exist. So be it. You prefer to exist in a little box and if anyone says the box is bigger you cry like a baby.
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You mean if I drop my cell phone I take down the cell towers? You will have to do better Spotlight.

So the alcohol travels from the cell phone back through the air to the cell towers and makes the towers drunk. OkeeDokee.
Have you ever been drunk Frank? It is more than a breakdown in body coordination, it affects you. The you that you attribute to the self, the consciousness, the soul itself becomes uninhibited and loses good judgement. Why is that Frank?

and then Frank switches to rambling mode and discusses starlight

Hey Frank you know they already know how light is affected by gravity. It can bend its path and it can red shift its frequency but is does not affect its speed.

Before you bring it up and waste another post, a black hole does not stop light via gravity pulling back on its direction of travel but by gravity bending spacetime so much that beneath the event horizon all directions point back in on itself.

If there is something to be discovered about anything that is currently unknown that can affect starlight science is indeed open to it. It is not restricted in any way as you suggest. It just does not waste time speculating on things that are not presently observed or inferred to exist from other observations.

And I can imagine things as well as you can. But I don't hang the meaning of my life upon whether what I imagine might be real or not like you seem to do.

But I wonder if we will ever have the same amazement looking at the stars we had before all of this research.

Yes I am quite certain that the stars were much more amazing to contemplate when the ancients considered them to be tiny lights affixed to the solid dome over a flat earth that could in principle fall to the earth (confusing stars with meteorites). :rolleyes:
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spotlight wrote:Before you bring it up and waste another post, a black hole does not stop light via gravity pulling back on its direction of travel but by gravity bending spacetime so much that beneath the event horizon all directions point back in on itself.


I am amazed how much you think you know. Must be nice knowing everything.
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Franktalk wrote:I am amazed how much you think you know. Must be nice knowing everything.

'Likewise amazed at how much that we do know that you think we don't.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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