Themis wrote:Whats worse is he cannot articulate how he thinks these beliefs are true for him.
I have described the path many times. You and others reject the idea that a path exist. So be it. You prefer to exist in a little box and if anyone says the box is bigger you cry like a baby.
No crying here. I have never seen you describe any path other then feelings and thoughts you created and interpreted. How do you determine if the interpretation is accurate?
Themis wrote:Where is educating oneself limiting the mind?
Good question, Themis! I can't think of anything more self-limiting than Franktalk's "inner journey" into his own mind and thoughts while trying to exclude outside influences and observations of and about the real, physical world around him--especially observations and evidence that seem to contradict what he would rather believe. Franktalk is quite fond of the aphorism "being in the world but not of the world." The truth is that no matter what we believe or do, none of us can avoid being both in and of the world.
Themis wrote:My criticism is not that he has spiritual thinking and feeling, but that he just thinks because he has the experience it is evidence that his interpretations of them are true. He likes the sciences unless they disagree with those interpretations. Not uncommon for religious people to want science to support their beliefs but attack science when it does not. He is the definition of closed mind all the while thinking he is the truly open minded one.
I think that your criticism of him above is quite as valid as mine.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
When you visit a foreign place do you throw away your beliefs and your culture and take on the beliefs and culture of the foreign place? I believe we respect the culture and beliefs but we don't embrace them as our own. The same is true on a much bigger scale. If I feel that I am a spirit from another place am I to abandon what I am while on this earth? Now in my case the veil stopped me from knowing who I was most of my life. But now that I know I feel a separation between my true self and this world I live in. This is why I say I can live in this world but I am not of this world. Now for those who love this place and do not wish to consider a greater reality then by all means embrace this place as your home. It is all a choice we make.
Franktalk wrote:When you visit a foreign place do you throw away your beliefs and your culture and take on the beliefs and culture of the foreign place? I believe we respect the culture and beliefs but we don't embrace them as our own. The same is true on a much bigger scale. If I feel that I am a spirit from another place am I to abandon what I am while on this earth? Now in my case the veil stopped me from knowing who I was most of my life. But now that I know I feel a separation between my true self and this world I live in. This is why I say I can live in this world but I am not of this world. Now for those who love this place and do not wish to consider a greater reality then by all means embrace this place as your home. It is all a choice we make.
And when you die you could say (if your fantasies were real) I am bored once again. I am in this (eternal) world but I am not of this (eternal) world. Hurry and send me back again to another mortal world where I can have the veil drawn over my mind hiding this hideous awful boring place. Yes it all makes so much sense now.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
spotlight wrote:And when you die you could say (if your fantasies were real) I am bored once again. I am in this (eternal) world but I am not of this (eternal) world. Hurry and send me back again to another mortal world where I can have the veil drawn over my mind hiding this hideous awful boring place. Yes it all makes so much sense now.
You may want to review what I have written. What you wrote in your post is not close to what I have described.
spotlight wrote:And when you die you could say (if your fantasies were real) I am bored once again. I am in this (eternal) world but I am not of this (eternal) world. Hurry and send me back again to another mortal world where I can have the veil drawn over my mind hiding this hideous awful boring place. Yes it all makes so much sense now.
You may want to review what I have written. What you wrote in your post is not close to what I have described.
Sure Frank, you have never once said that the reason we are here is to escape the boredom of eternity.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
spotlight wrote:Sure Frank, you have never once said that the reason we are here is to escape the boredom of eternity.
Only in the details does it make sense. The details you seem to enjoy ignoring.
So you imagine that you have a detailed model that will stand up to rigorous review and satisfy all currently known facts and data about the world? That would be something Frank. But then your simple model doesn't even pass the drunk test. Tell us how it is in detail that a soul that is separable from our body and brain can get drunk from a physical chemical. I missed that detail.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
spotlight wrote:So you imagine that you have a detailed model that will stand up to rigorous review and satisfy all currently known facts and data about the world? That would be something Frank. But then your simple model doesn't even pass the drunk test. Tell us how it is in detail that a soul that is separable from our body and brain can get drunk from a physical chemical. I missed that detail.
Franktalk wrote:The problem comes from extending collected evidence into an interpretation. Then you consider your interpretation as evidence which it is not. Don't feel bad many people do this.
Let's revisit my jigsaw puzzle analogy again. Making no attempt to extend collected evidence into an interpretation renders the evidence useless. That would be the equivalent of making no attempt to fit the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together so we can see the whole picture, or at least as much of the picture as can be built up by the pieces available. There is always going to be an interpretation that best fits the available evidence when painstakingly and logically fitted together.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
