We all want to know where we came from!

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Quasimodo wrote:
AmyJo wrote:Compare that with my birth child who was taken from me at birth by the LDS church. I was forcibly taken by automobile within one week, with a massive headache caused by the unscrupulous doctor for injuring my spinal cord from the child birth, to sign away my rights while lying flat on my back in agonizing pain on the way there and back again to the LDS foster family who helped organize the adoption. It wasn't really my will, I was coerced as a young woman in the 1970's still in high school, to give up my child. No one tried to assist me with keeping him, only to relinquish my child. It wasn't really a free will choice at all, but one made by those around me in authority. That being the Mormon church I'd been born into and had placed my trust in up to then.

They basically stole my baby away. In 2005 I was able to find him through a social worker in Idaho, who matched our vital records. Salt Lake City was no help at all and went to extreme measures to make sure he could not find me. After his mission he wrote to them, where I had placed a letter for him in case of that very event he should try to find me. They did not release my letter to him, or even a medical history. Here he was at that time: a 30 year old returned missionary, former Marine and adoptee who had never been given any information on his ancestry including his medical history by either the LDS church who facilitated the adoption or his adoptive family. They deliberately withheld vital information from him in attempt to manipulate him into believing he had only one family, instead of a birth family.

He had become an atheist by the time I found him, and developed a drug and alcohol problem. He was angry at his adoptive mom. They hadn't spoken in a long time. But whoa! As soon as I found him, she became outraged at the idea that his birth mother could do such a thing. Never mind his adoptive dad had died, and his only adopted sibling also died previously. His adopted mom had remarried and had five stepchildren by then. She still refused to let her grown adopted son have anything to do with me. This, according to his extended family. His grandmother on his adoptive father's side had really wanted him and I to meet. So had his late adoptive dad. They were his favorite relatives in that entire adoptive family. But his adoptive mother threatened him with disinheritance if he continued to associate with me. His grandmother told me she would get very angry with her if she found out the grandmother was communicating with me.

So we still haven't met to this day, after we got off to a good start because of her manipulativeness. His half-siblings didn't get to meet him because of her and her clannish Mormon family. He's still messed up real good from drugs, alcohol, and his adoptive mom whom one of his extended relatives told me he couldn't stand. But out of loyalty to her and her bribes of instant wealth when she dies, he buckled to her pressure.

The social worker who helped match me to my birth son told me 99.999% of her referrals in Idaho were not from any other religion *other than* the *Mormon* one. She said from her experience the LDS church goes to great lengths to erase the birth families and any traces of the adoptees heritage or lineage permanently from their records/charts and files.

It's a travesty considering the emotional trauma an adoptee will have for their lifetime from being separated from their birth families. It's an emotional wound that never does heal. Finding their ancestry, meeting their relatives for the first time, getting acquainted with their birth families of origin is very healing for both them and the birth families.

The Mormon church commits baby snatching in the name of God with its back-handed adoption practices.


That is very sad. I'm so sorry that happened to you and your son. Thanks for sharing, AmyJo!

If you haven't seen the movie "Philomena", you should (a true story). It will break your heart, though. It's a similar story to your own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philomena_(film)

I really don't understand the philosophy behind hiding the identity of birth parents and their children. It seems to be an unnecessary cruelty. Most certainly when the children are old enough to make those decisions for themselves.


P.S. I did see the movie Philomena when it was first released. It was heartbreaking for me to watch. As much as I needed to see it. I didn't see it after the first time. Too painful. I understand it was based on a true story. That was typical of many of the attitudes of adoptions when the son was given up and Philomena was very young and Catholic. The Catholics and Mormons were both about as barbaric in separating children, with the exception that Catholicism at least tried to reunite them years later if at all possible. The Mormon church is still hiding its records and keeping them under lock and key that adoptees should in all honesty have access to.
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Quasimodo wrote:How old is he now?

He will be 5 in a few months. He has an older half-sister (she is 12), and he knows about her and does Skype and FaceTime with her occasionally.

His mom and I started dating when he was a few months shy of 2. After dating a month, he decided I was "daddy," and try as we might, we couldn't get him to refer to me as anything but.

We've talked to a couple of people (including a MFT), and the general consensus seems to be that there is no general consensus on when we should breach the subject. The MFT's advice was that he will likely gradually figure it out on his own, or come to us when ready, because of the half-sister.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Quasimodo wrote:How old is he now?

He will be 5 in a few months. He has an older half-sister (she is 12), and he knows about her and does Skype and FaceTime with her occasionally.

His mom and I started dating when he was a few months shy of 2. After dating a month, he decided I was "daddy," and try as we might, we couldn't get him to refer to me as anything but.

We've talked to a couple of people (including a MFT), and the general consensus seems to be that there is no general consensus on when we should breach the subject. The MFT's advice was that he will likely gradually figure it out on his own, or come to us when ready, because of the half-sister.


It sounds like you have it well in hand! I think the fact that he is chatting with his half sister is a great thing and I'm sure everything will turn out just fine. You are a wonderful dad (no surprise to me) for being concerned. It's easy to see that you are concerned about his welfare.
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This preceded LDS Social Services stepping out of the once lucrative adoption business:

http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/news/ci_5043040
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AmyJo,
I am amazed at the church's imbalance of motivation to research dead ancestors on one hand and living decendents/family on the other. They really have things like that turned around. And it's not just me and you. "Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead..." (Luke 9:20)
And another that may have more implications: "He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err." (Mark 12:27)

To honor loved ones who have died is good, but we have much more influence on those still living.

Doctor Steuss wrote:I fear the day (should he ever decide) that my son wants to contact his biological father -- or when he inevitably figures out that I'm not his biological father. But, I understand the drive to do so, as I witnessed it with two of my friends (one adopted, one the dad was just deadbeat). In both circumstances, it led to rejection, disappointment, and prolonged emotional trauma and manipulation.

I hope my son doesn't end up having to pick up the same pieces should he decide to seek out that side of his DNA, but I think that pull for knowing and closure is inevitable.

I don't know how old your son is, but I think it's best to let them know when they're young that they were so special that you chose to be their dad, which (in my opinion) is even more noble than having it fall in your lap biologically.

A friend of mine was about 24 when he finally found out his dad was not his biological dad and it came out during an argument and he was visiting him (hoping to move) to another country. He was very upset - came to stay with me until he could get a plane ticket back. A lot of it was how his dad told him - it was messed up - and came out more hurtfully than it would have if he would have talked to him under better circumstances.
I hope it goes better for you and your son.
And I agree that who raises you is more your dad than who contributed sperm.

My dad adopted my older brother and sister - but he considers us all his kids. He treates us all the same in that way.
It really is amazing, as my brother was saying, how he loves because of who he is, not so much with the condition that they be genetically related.
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moksha wrote:This preceded LDS Social Services stepping out of the once lucrative adoption business:

http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/news/ci_5043040


That would convince anyone of getting out of it!

Those girls were incorrigibles. It's one thing to be pregnant, out of wedlock and in a bind. These girls belong in prison or strait jackets, or both! They are psycho!

Today even out of wedlock the LDS are counseled the best thing is for both the birth children and their parents to keep their children. That "bit of advice" was overlooked and ignored when the adoption mill was at its peak during the 50's-70's.
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AmyJo, are you acquainted with this book? The Girls Who Went Away: The Hidden History of Women Who Surrendered Children for Adoption in the Decades Before Roe v. Wade

http://www.amazon.com/Girls-Who-Went-Away-Surrendered/dp/0143038974
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My BIL is adopted and went looking for his biological parents. Turns out he is the 1/2 brother of one of my childhood - high school best friends. I knew his biological father way better than my BIL ever did, BIL met him once before biological father passed away.
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moksha wrote:AmyJo, are you acquainted with this book? The Girls Who Went Away: The Hidden History of Women Who Surrendered Children for Adoption in the Decades Before Roe v. Wade

http://www.amazon.com/Girls-Who-Went-Away-Surrendered/dp/0143038974


I've read it or at least perused it some years back. It's been a while. It captures the essence of what women went through who were subjected to the adoption mills, of which the LDS Social Services as church is still one of the worst when it comes to long term damage it causes to both the adoptees and birth parents. It really doesn't care that it just erases the history for the adoptee. It trains the adoptive parents to do the same when they get these children home with closed adoptions finalized.

A supportive book that is linked to this one on Amazon is "Primal Wound," understanding the adopted child, by Nancy Verrier. " A book which adoptees call their "Bible," it is a must read for anyone connected with adoption: adoptees, birth parents, adoptive parents, therapists, educators, and attorneys. In its application of information about perinatal psychology, attachment, bonding, and loss, "The Primal Wound" clarifies the effects of separation from the birthmother on adopted children. In addition, it gives adoptees, whose pain has long been unacknowledged or misunderstood, validation for their feelings, as well as explanations for their behavior. As one adoptee said, "Only one thing has caused me more pain and damage than the existence of the primal wound: the world's insistence that it does not exist."
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Amore wrote:I am amazed at the church's imbalance of motivation to research dead ancestors on one hand and living decendents/family on the other.

I hadn't even thought about this. It really is striking.
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