Will Sanders' Supporters Ultimately Back Trump?

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Re: Will Sanders' Supporters Ultimately Back Trump?

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There's no way I could bring myself to vote for Drumpf.

There's no way I could bring myself to vote for Hillary.

So... probably Jill Stein.

This election is like a Super Bowl between Pittsburgh and Dallas. Unfortunately, one of them has to win.
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EAllusion wrote:
AmyJo wrote:My cousin and her husband, both retired English teachers in the Morridor, were/are Bernie supporters who don't want Hilary or Trump for president. Not sure which way they'll be voting since Bernie's not going to be on the ballot in November. They are hopeful he'll be on as an independent 3rd party candidate. I don't think that will help his cause any, and will siphon votes from Trump and Hilary but not enough to defeat either.

She also wonders whether the powers-that-be will instigate something to bring Trump down, similar to JFK when he was in office, presuming he becomes elected?

The GOP doesn't really want him there for all their hyperbole. She noted they got very quiet all of a sudden when it became apparent he was the presumptive nominee. She said "Too Quiet." ....
Uh, so your friend is a JFK conspraicy theorist who thinks Republicans are conspiring to assassinate Trump?

Anti-Trump rhetoric quieted down among Republicans, relatively speaking, after he secured the presumptive nomination because people are loyal to the party as a means of retaining organizational power. That loyalty runs so deep that people who despise Trump will line right up behind him and stand for things they allegedly hate.

That people like George W. Bush and Mitt Romney are opting out of that is virtually unheard of.


Nah, my cousin went out of her way to say she does not support conspiracy theories. It's fairly well established JFK's assassin did not act alone. It was part of a coverup and larger conspiracy we aren't really privy to the inside details other than speculation and pundits fueling the controversy. Given what we do know of his assassin it's not a leap to believe Oswald was a gun for hire.

Same for the guy who assassinated JFK's brother, Robert Kennedy, Sirhan Sirhan. His family was given a large payout discreetly to their Israeli/Palestinian bank account after his murder from an undisclosed source - after Sirhan was locked up and the key thrown away.

No, cousin just believes that Trump doesn't represent the big Wall Street interests that would support Hilary or one of the 17 GOP it did support before they all dropped out of the race one by one. They find him threatening enough to the status quo that it isn't the politicians themselves who would launch something. It would be the Military Industrial Complex or the special interests that support the super PACS as in those who are charged with running the Pentagon and national security and banking.
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MsJack wrote:All that matters is electing their Oompa-Loompa-hued misogyny boy-king.

by the way, Trump's hands are ginormous for an Oompa-Loompa.
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AmyJo wrote:Nah, my cousin went out of her way to say she does not support conspiracy theories. It's fairly well established JFK's assassin did not act alone. It was part of a coverup and larger conspiracy we aren't really privy to the inside details other than speculation and pundits fueling the controversy. Given what we do know of his assassin it's not a leap to believe Oswald was a gun for hire.

Same for the guy who assassinated JFK's brother, Robert Kennedy, Sirhan Sirhan. His family was given a large payout discreetly to their Israeli/Palestinian bank account after his murder from an undisclosed source - after Sirhan was locked up and the key thrown away.

No, cousin just believes that Trump doesn't represent the big Wall Street interests that would support Hilary or one of the 17 GOP it did support before they all dropped out of the race one by one. They find him threatening enough to the status quo that it isn't the politicians themselves who would launch something. It would be the Military Industrial Complex or the special interests that support the super PACS as in those who are charged with running the Pentagon and national security and banking.


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honorentheos wrote:
AmyJo wrote:Nah, my cousin went out of her way to say she does not support conspiracy theories. It's fairly well established JFK's assassin did not act alone. It was part of a coverup and larger conspiracy we aren't really privy to the inside details other than speculation and pundits fueling the controversy. Given what we do know of his assassin it's not a leap to believe Oswald was a gun for hire.

Same for the guy who assassinated JFK's brother, Robert Kennedy, Sirhan Sirhan. His family was given a large payout discreetly to their Israeli/Palestinian bank account after his murder from an undisclosed source - after Sirhan was locked up and the key thrown away.

No, cousin just believes that Trump doesn't represent the big Wall Street interests that would support Hilary or one of the 17 GOP it did support before they all dropped out of the race one by one. They find him threatening enough to the status quo that it isn't the politicians themselves who would launch something. It would be the Military Industrial Complex or the special interests that support the super PACS as in those who are charged with running the Pentagon and national security and banking.


The internet is such a crazy place.


The information about the Kennedy assassinations and the MIC/Super PACS have been long established, pre-Internet. I studied about the Military Industrial Complex as an undergrad, mid-80's. The special interests and lobbyists who run the country have boasted they can run "Mickey Mouse for president and win," because that's how powerful they've become. Someone like Donald Trump comes along, and if they can't manage him or control him, well you do the math.
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AmyJo wrote:
Nah, my cousin went out of her way to say she does not support conspiracy theories. It's fairly well established JFK's assassin did not act alone. It was part of a coverup and larger conspiracy we aren't really privy to the inside details other than speculation and pundits fueling the controversy. Given what we do know of his assassin it's not a leap to believe Oswald was a gun for hire.


That's not established at all. It's a fringe conspiracy theory not far off 911 truthers.

You can't say you believe that and also say you do not support conspiracy theories. Oswald did not act alone is arguably the quintessential American conspiracy theory.

Same for the guy who assassinated JFK's brother, Robert . They find him threatening enough to the status quo that it isn't the politicians themselves who would launch something. It would be the Military Industrial Complex or the special interests that support the super PACS as in those who are charged with running the Pentagon and national security and banking.
So, yeah...
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AmyJo wrote:
honorentheos wrote:The internet is such a crazy place.


The information about the Kennedy assassinations and the MIC/Super PACS have been long established, pre-Internet. I studied about the Military Industrial Complex as an undergrad, mid-80's. The special interests and lobbyists who run the country have boasted they can run "Mickey Mouse for president and win," because that's how powerful they've become. Someone like Donald Trump comes along, and if they can't manage him or control him, well you do the math.

I knew a guy in Germany who was 100% convinced the illuminati were real and controlled the global banking system. I knew a guy who quit his job a few months before Y2K and bunkered up. I was good friends with someone and didn't know for years they believed the moon landings were faked. (LDS prophet behind that one). Still. The internet gives voice to a different kind and level of crazy than I ever have encountered in real life.

by the way, if someone goes out of their way to say they don't believe in conspiracy theories, it's practically guaranteed the next thing they tell you is a conspiracy theory. Just an FYI.
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honorentheos wrote:
AmyJo wrote:The information about the Kennedy assassinations and the MIC/Super PACS have been long established, pre-Internet. I studied about the Military Industrial Complex as an undergrad, mid-80's. The special interests and lobbyists who run the country have boasted they can run "Mickey Mouse for president and win," because that's how powerful they've become. Someone like Donald Trump comes along, and if they can't manage him or control him, well you do the math.

I knew a guy in Germany who was 100% convinced the illuminati were real and controlled the global banking system. I knew a guy who quit his job a few months before Y2K and bunkered up. I was good friends with someone and didn't know for years they believed the moon landings were faked. (LDS prophet behind that one). Still. The internet gives voice to a different kind and level of crazy than I ever have encountered in real life.

by the way, if someone goes out of their way to say they don't believe in conspiracy theories, it's practically guaranteed the next thing they tell you is a conspiracy theory. Just an FYI.


Well, there you have it wrong in a nutshell. My cousin is one of the most level headed people on the planet. Mother of five, well rounded educated children, and a retired English teacher and poet/philosopher. Her husband too shares her sensibilities. They are straight as arrows. The JFK thing isn't a conspiracy theory. It's well documented. The only thing is no one besides Oswald was put on trial in the court of public opinion. Or Ruby. Or those who hired either to do their dirty work.

It isn't rocket science to know that politics corrupt, and corruption runs amok in politics. Why do you think we have such a hard time attracting quality leadership? Politics are a cesspool is why.
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whew! good thing it's only in a nutshell.
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honorentheos wrote:I knew a guy in Germany who was 100% convinced the illuminati were real and controlled the global banking system.


The Illuminati are real, but they don't control anything. They're like the Masons, a harmless fraternity that has become the boogeyman of many a conspiracy theorist crackpot.
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