The consequences of living a non-valiant life in pre-existen

[_Franktalk]

Myself , I read the passage as a license from God to ignore, reject, leave behind, disestablish, all of those authorities who abuse human rights.

I read the passage a few different ways. The first is to compare the behavior of the people to the will of God. In this Christ was saying that those who do the will of God are his brothers and sisters.

The second way to interpret the passage is way more interesting. It was Christ who said that the Kingdom of God is within us. If we are a body and a newly created spirit then how is the Kingdom within? But if we are spirits from the preexistence then we bring in the Kingdom with us because that is where we were. We just need to wake up to the fact that we are spirit. Again Christ told us how to do that. It is the inward journey that turns on the spirit of truth. Now in my mind it is us waking up the connection between the mind and our own spirit who has been around before the foundation of the earth.

If you read the words spoken by Christ he spoke as if speaking to the spirit. I think he looked past the body to the spirit within.

Once we wake up our spirit to establish a communication link with our mind then we start to live by the rules from the Kingdom and toss the rules of this earth. I think that is what you were saying.

[_Amore]

I've heard about race being consequent of pre-existence, anything but white being something less valient.
But I've actually been lead to believe in the church, that people with mental retardation or other similar disorders, were actually MORE valient, "they didn't need to be tested."

I think this curious LDS doctrine has been de-emphasized since I was growing up in the 60's and 70's. It could have some interesting ramifications in the current discussions about why some people are gay, but I doubt LDS leaders will refer to it because it opens a big can of worms. Can you imagine a Sunday School conversation starting with "were people born gay because of something they did in the pre-existence?"

Babies are not born wanting distorted sex.
Sexual preference is learned, not inborn - the science if abundant, if you care to educate yourself. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300464/posts
The lie that sexual preferences began at birth is part of the homosexual mind-control too many fell for, it's partly why you called it "gay" (which used to mean happy) instead of what it really is: homosexual preferences.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=44c_1346 ... comments=1

[_Maksutov]

I've heard about race being consequent of pre-existence, anything but white being something less valient.
But I've actually been lead to believe in the church, that people with mental retardation or other similar disorders, were actually MORE valient, "they didn't need to be tested."

I think this curious LDS doctrine has been de-emphasized since I was growing up in the 60's and 70's. It could have some interesting ramifications in the current discussions about why some people are gay, but I doubt LDS leaders will refer to it because it opens a big can of worms. Can you imagine a Sunday School conversation starting with "were people born gay because of something they did in the pre-existence?"

Babies are not born wanting distorted sex.
Sexual preference is learned, not inborn - the science if abundant, if you care to educate yourself. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300464/posts
The lie that sexual preferences began at birth is part of the homosexual mind-control too many fell for, it's partly why you called it "gay" (which used to mean happy) instead of what it really is: homosexual preferences.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=44c_1346 ... comments=1

Homosexual mind control? Are you reading Jack Chick again?

[_spotlight]

"Science is a tool that can be abused!" is probably the better thread for Amore's references.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/10/ ... ations-dna

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015 ... ental.html

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/ ... -it-means/

[_just me]

Babies are not born wanting distorted sex.

Uh, babies aren't born wanting any kind of sex. Ewww.

[_moksha]

This whole valiant life stuff is nonsense.

It is the only thing that explains the banned status of the health drinks coffee and tea. So there!

[_Maksutov]

This whole valiant life stuff is nonsense.

Yep. Especially the pre-existence part.

[_moksha]

Especially the pre-existence part.

Exactly. Have the coffee and tea plants remained firmly planted in the Gospel instead of providing quickie pick-me-ups for the enemy combatants in the Heaven War, we could readily enjoy a good mochaccino today and nourish & strengthen our bodies with needed antioxidants.

[_huckelberry]

Amore, that second link which you posted might be a bit questionable. It combines suprising hate, and antisemitism with a bunch of advertisements for bare bottomed women and large breasts. I guess they are not aiming at a homosexual audience.

[_Franktalk]

Yep. Especially the pre-existence part.

Our intellect is eternal. We occupied a body in what is called the preexistence and we occupy one now. There the intellect is in complete control of the body and mind. Here the mind of the body pretty much runs on its own. Our intellect rarely injects ideas into the physical mind. In a few thousand years that will change and our intellect will take on more control.

This is what I believe but feel free to believe what you wish.

In "heaven" or the preexistence our bodies are sexless. No need for food or shelter. We can not die unless we choose to reset ourselves. Nice place. In time the physical bodies we have will be enhanced to obtain energy directly from nature. Fun times ahead. At least this is how I see it.

All are equal in the preexistence.