A Transgender Question

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Re: A Transgender Question

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Quasimodo wrote:
Shakespeare wrote:The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

pretty sure you're applying this incorrectly (shocking, i know)
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Re: A Transgender Question

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just me wrote:
canpakes wrote:Amore, how is 'just me's reference to your acquiescence to herd mentality any greater an offense than your claim that she is doing the same?


:lol: I can't wait for the answer.

Amore, please point out the logical fallacies I have made in this thread. Please also list the facts that I am ignoring in order to hold on to my cherished herd beliefs of equality and human decency.

oh, this is easy
1. the lack of using logic could easily be interpreted as a fallacy.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion

2. viewtopic.php?p=973197#p973197 in this post you try to equate the cost of wheelchair ramps (accessibility) to the cost of accommodating transgendered persons - this type of comparison often uses racism as a false analogy. Nevertheless, the fallacies are numerous:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon

3. In this post viewtopic.php?p=974505#p974505 you argue "false cause" by a sophomoric misuse of statistics
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause

4. In this post viewtopic.php?p=974525#p974525 you make the "anecdotal evidence" fallacy
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

5. Then here viewtopic.php?p=974677#p974677 you commit ad hominem
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

so, how is this for a beginning list?
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Re: A Transgender Question

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subgenius wrote:oh, this is easy
1. the lack of using logic could easily be interpreted as a fallacy.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion

2. viewtopic.php?p=973197#p973197 in this post you try to equate the cost of wheelchair ramps (accessibility) to the cost of accommodating transgendered persons - this type of comparison often uses racism as a false analogy. Nevertheless, the fallacies are numerous:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon

3. In this post viewtopic.php?p=974505#p974505 you argue "false cause" by a sophomoric misuse of statistics
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause

4. In this post viewtopic.php?p=974525#p974525 you make the "anecdotal evidence" fallacy
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

5. Then here viewtopic.php?p=974677#p974677 you commit ad hominem
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

so, how is this for a beginning list?


That's great, Subby. You should forward this to the KKK. They'll make you an honorary member if you aren't one already. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: A Transgender Question

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subgenius wrote:so, how is this for a beginning list?

I'll go get a coffee while you prepare an answer to the original question.
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Re: A Transgender Question

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Maksutov wrote:
That's great, Subby. You should forward this to the KKK. They'll make you an honorary member if you aren't one already. :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
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Re: A Transgender Question

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subgenius wrote:
Maksutov wrote:
That's great, Subby. You should forward this to the KKK. They'll make you an honorary member if you aren't one already. :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque


This is easy. Do it and prove me wrong. :lol:
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Re: A Transgender Question

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subgenius wrote:how is this for a beginning list?

You could deliver the coup de grâce simply by pointing out that your fallacy is bigger.
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Re: A Transgender Question

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moksha wrote:
subgenius wrote:how is this for a beginning list?

You could deliver the coup de grâce simply by pointing out that your fallacy is bigger.


But how big are his hands? :wink:
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Re: A Transgender Question

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subgenius wrote:oh, this is easy
1. the lack of using logic could easily be interpreted as a fallacy.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion

2. viewtopic.php?p=973197#p973197 in this post you try to equate the cost of wheelchair ramps (accessibility) to the cost of accommodating transgendered persons - this type of comparison often uses racism as a false analogy. Nevertheless, the fallacies are numerous:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon


I did not use the bandwagon fallacy nor the composition fallacy. I was pointing out that we have accommodation laws that do place a burden on business owners already. We, as a society, have decided that it is reasonable to place a burden on business owners to accommodate certain groups of people. Just because YOU think it is irrational and unreasonable doesn't make it so.

3. In this post viewtopic.php?p=974505#p974505 you argue "false cause" by a sophomoric misuse of statistics
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause


Except that I didn't misuse statistics. People are claiming that transgender people are making bathrooms unsafe. This is false. There is no evidence to support this. There is, however, ample evidence that using public restrooms is dangerous for trans people.

4. In this post viewtopic.php?p=974525#p974525 you make the "anecdotal evidence" fallacy
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal


Uh, that wasn't a fallacy. That was a conversation between Jersey Girl and I.



Actually, I was just giving Amore a taste of her own medicine. I suppose you also dislike it when she accuses everyone here of having a herd mentality. She seems to be the only one free of such a burden.

It's ironic that someone who obsesses over other people jumping on bandwagons has hitched herself so steadfastly to such a hateful one.

so, how is this for a beginning list?


Not very good. You'll have to do better than that.
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Re: A Transgender Question

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just me wrote:I did not use the bandwagon fallacy nor the composition fallacy. I was pointing out that we have accommodation laws that do place a burden on business owners already. We, as a society, have decided that it is reasonable to place a burden on business owners to accommodate certain groups of people. Just because YOU think it is irrational and unreasonable doesn't make it so.
right, and thus you made a bandwagon fallacy, thanks for clarifying. Yes, society does accommodate but as i original noted, you did not and have yet to provide a reasonable argument/justification why such an accommodation should be made for transgendered people. See, the "bandwagon" fallacy is when you justify something by the merit of its associated idea being already "popular"....you have not provided any merit.
and you are correct, just because i think so doesn't make it so, but in this case, what i think it is and what it actually is are aligned. But your point is relevant, just because someone thinks (identifies) that they are handicapped does not mean that they are handicapped.


3. In this post viewtopic.php?p=974505#p974505 you argue "false cause" by a sophomoric misuse of statistics
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause


Except that I didn't misuse statistics. People are claiming that transgender people are making bathrooms unsafe. This is false. There is no evidence to support this. There is, however, ample evidence that using public restrooms is dangerous for trans people.
The claim about bathroom safety is irrelevant, you specifically tried to justify the opposite claim by stating that "other things" are more dangerous.
4. In this post viewtopic.php?p=974525#p974525 you make the "anecdotal evidence" fallacy
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal


Uh, that wasn't a fallacy. That was a conversation between Jersey Girl and I.
correct, but you specifically asked - "please point out the logical fallacies I have made in this thread" - and in that conversation, you made that fallacy.



Actually, I was just giving Amore a taste of her own medicine. I suppose you also dislike it when she accuses everyone here of having a herd mentality. She seems to be the only one free of such a burden.
"giving a taste of her own medicine" is still a fallacy committed, and as requested it was noted to you. Just because she committed the same fallacy does not mean that you did not.

It's ironic that someone who obsesses over other people jumping on bandwagons has hitched herself so steadfastly to such a hateful one.
i think you mean hypocritical, but its irrelevant either way and simply reinforces that your argument relies on personal criticisms as opposed to valid points
so, how is this for a beginning list?


Not very good. You'll have to do better than that.
well, one has to know their audience
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them
what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams
If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
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