Mike Pence Speaks After Being Announced Trump VP

[_The CCC]

Appreciate your clear thinking in this Jersey Girl....

You ARE absolutely correct.
The CCC has tried to say his "44 Mag" has more of a kick than a 12 Gauge Shotgun, and he would be utterly false.
A 12 Gauge Pistol grip will cause massive pain to the hand, or as a long gun massive pain to the shoulder.
More muscle, stronger grips, more solid grips/support etc. will "mitigate the pain, and you'll also get better, stronger, more used to it etc. through use, but the first video I posted doesn't "lie".

In contrast, the 44 Mag has some kick, but it's not going to "hurt" your hand like a shotgun will.
It truly fascinates me the depth people go in support of their utterly false, but more so completely easily provable false positions.
The second video I posted, she was a more experienced shooter, but not with a shotgun, and she completely missed the target even though she was trying to aim.

The AR-15 is good at ANY distance, and for ANY shooter, even a child.
The Shotgun, is ONLY any good at very short distance, and it essentially takes an experienced shooter to shoot it, for it to actually be effective.
There are videos online of kids at home protecting themselves and family from intruders with their dads AR-15. But you NEVER hear a story of a kid doing so with a "shotgun". Only fools think shotguns are the best all around self-defense weapon. That's severely OLD and flawed thinking.

A 20 Gauge however could be effective, especially if loaded with "Slug" rounds, or "larger" pellets (a.k.a. Buckshot (larger the better) ), only like 6-10 or something. Though, the most effective still would be the 12 Gauge due to the stopping power behind it, but then you're back to all it's limitations. So, overall, smart people have been going with AR-15 and similar type weapons for home defense, hunting, etc. It's an All Around gun.... yet liberals want to ban the best type of gun for individual usage.

Anyway..... Just crazy crazy crazy.

You're an idiot. Because of the mass of the shotgun much more of its energy is absorbed into the gun than any hand gun. Simple physics.

Hell; modify any firearm enough and you lessen the felt recoil.

The AR-15 has an effective kill range of about a mile and one half. A shotgun maybe a few hundred feet. If you are 1.5 miles from your attacker they are not a threat.

Your apartment probably isn't even 100 feet long.

That kid is many times more likely to kill him/herself with that firearm than they are any bad guy.

If you need an AR-15 to kill something you're such a poor shot that you should never be allowed anywhere near one.

[_Lemmie]

The advantage of a shot gun vs a rifle or handgun is that in a home a shotgun buckshot blast really won't injure family members on the other side of a wall, where a bullet will easily go through a few sheet rock walls if it doesn't hit something solid. Less likely hood of accidently killing a family member.

I think there's also something psychologically frightening about the sound of a shotgun pump that isn't quite the same as the "click" of other guns chambering a round or cocking.

I'd much rather stand at the top of the stairs, and threaten an intruder with the sound of a shotgun and some foreboding words, than have to actually chance a face-to-face encounter.**


**(Hypothetically, of course. I don't own any firearms, and I instead protect my home with several strategically-placed "east-side security systems" [i.e. baseball bats], a 110 lb Cane Corso mix, and a crotchety 6 lb Chihuahua.)

And I'm guessing the crotchety 6 lb Chihuahua is the superstar here.

[_Doctor Steuss]

And I'm guessing the crotchety 6 lb Chihuahua is the superstar here.

Within him is the fury of a thousand Dobermans. I have seen him, armed with his three remaining teeth, lay waste to a single miniature dog biscuit in a blistering 18 minutes.

Intruders beware.

[_Jersey Girl]

I'm just going to make a few statements here, some will be intentionally vague, and then I'll be getting off the thread.

I don't know why anyone here, thinks I need advice regarding firearms, when I have already stated on this board that I have a shooting range on my property and access to firearms. I've never identified what firearms I have access to and I never will, because it's nobody's business but my own.

That said, I stand by my opinion that for me, the kick from a 12 gauge would put me on my ass where the AR-15 would not.

I am not promoting either the use or civilian ownership of the AR-15 over the 12 gauge. Personally, I'd like to see the AR-15 removed from civilian hands, but that is not the point of my comments here. I am simply offering my opinion as to which weapon I, personally, would be more able to control. I'm not about playing pissing contest over my experience vs anyone else's on the Internet.

Take it or leave it.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I don't know why anyone here, thinks I need advice regarding firearms,

Because your opinion on the matter is ignorant? Even a waif with a proper stance and grip can fire a shotgun with ease. Y'all acting like a shotgun is like firing a goddamn bazooka. Jesus.

- Doc

[_Quasimodo]

My weapon of choice. They'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands. Plus, ammo is cheap.

[_Maksutov]

A thread about Mike Pence turns into a thread about who can handle a shotgun. Oy vey.

[_Jersey Girl]

I forgot to reply to this.

Appreciate your clear thinking in this Jersey Girl....

You ARE absolutely correct.
The CCC has tried to say his "44 Mag" has more of a kick than a 12 Gauge Shotgun, and he would be utterly false.
A 12 Gauge Pistol grip will cause massive pain to the hand, or as a long gun massive pain to the shoulder.
More muscle, stronger grips, more solid grips/support etc. will "mitigate the pain, and you'll also get better, stronger, more used to it etc. through use, but the first video I posted doesn't "lie".

I don't know jack about a 44 Mag. That's all I'm sayin''.

In contrast, the 44 Mag has some kick, but it's not going to "hurt" your hand like a shotgun will.
It truly fascinates me the depth people go in support of their utterly false, but more so completely easily provable false positions.
The second video I posted, she was a more experienced shooter, but not with a shotgun, and she completely missed the target even though she was trying to aim.

I didn't watch anyone's videos. I did open the first that Cam posted to see the woman kneeling on the ground. I don't need anyone's videos to offer my opinion.

The AR-15 is good at ANY distance, and for ANY shooter, even a child.
The Shotgun, is ONLY any good at very short distance, and it essentially takes an experienced shooter to shoot it, for it to actually be effective.
There are videos online of kids at home protecting themselves and family from intruders with their dads AR-15. But you NEVER hear a story of a kid doing so with a "shotgun". Only fools think shotguns are the best all around self-defense weapon. That's severely OLD and flawed thinking.

Eh, I'm not caring about the above. I wouldn't allow a child access to firearms to begin with, but I understand that you're trying to make a point.

A 20 Gauge however could be effective, especially if loaded with "Slug" rounds, or "larger" pellets (a.k.a. Buckshot (larger the better) ), only like 6-10 or something. Though, the most effective still would be the 12 Gauge due to the stopping power behind it, but then you're back to all it's limitations. So, overall, smart people have been going with AR-15 and similar type weapons for home defense, hunting, etc. It's an All Around gun.... yet liberals want to ban the best type of gun for individual usage.

Anyway..... Just crazy crazy crazy.

In spite of my opinion regarding the AR-15 over the 12 gauge shotgun for women, I would like to see the AR-15 banned from civilian hands. Again, that's my opinion. Smart or not.

[_Ceeboo]

My weapon of choice. They'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands. Plus, ammo is cheap.

[_Lemmie]

My weapon of choice. They'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands. Plus, ammo is cheap.

Ok, a little off topic but did you see the Big Bang Theory episode where one character (acting as student) shot a spitball into the mouth of another character (acting as prof) during a particularly trying lecture?? LMAO.

I didn't think spitballs were considered deadly weapons, but according to Sheldon, they are.