Mittens wrote:I would if Ivanhoe and I weren't the same person and I put this together by myself
Are you claiming to be Ivanhoe of the CARM forum?
If so--you still have not explained for me how the "homoousios"(same substance) God can refer to God the Son as a resurrected man of flesh and bones--and God the Father--who is only a Spirit.
Luke 24:39---King James Version (KJV) 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Mittens wrote:I would if Ivanhoe and I weren't the same person and I put this together by myself
Are you claiming to be Ivanhoe of the CARM forum?
If so--you still have not explained for me how the "homoousios"(same substance) God can refer to God the Son as a resurrected man of flesh and bones--and God the Father--who is only a Spirit.
Luke 24:39---King James Version (KJV) 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Yes I AM Ivanhoe , from the CARM FORUM
Justice = Getting what you deserve Mercy = Not getting what you deserve Grace = Getting what you can never deserve
Mittens wrote:Yes I AM Ivanhoe , from the CARM FORUM
If so--you still have not explained for me how the "homoousios"(same substance) God can refer to God the Son as a resurrected man of flesh and bones--and God the Father--who is only a Spirit.
Luke 24:39---King James Version (KJV) 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Mittens wrote:Yes I AM Ivanhoe , from the CARM FORUM
If so--you still have not explained for me how the "homoousios"(same substance) God can refer to God the Son as a resurrected man of flesh and bones--and God the Father--who is only a Spirit.
Luke 24:39---King James Version (KJV) 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
How many times have I told you Jesus and God the Father are separate and distinct persons
Substantia homoousios There were two major Latin words involved. The first is substantia, and Greek Homoousios Although the word was idiomatically to mean “goods” or “property” and in a legal sense to denote “ that to which two or more parties could share legal claim,” there never was never much doubt as to what the Church Fathers intended when using substantia was simply the being of God. Thus to say , with the Latin orthodox theologians, that Father,Son, and Spirit were consubstantialis was to say that they shared the same basic “thing” or “what” that they were: namely, they were God.
Homoousios Godhead, God, substance Essence and Being all synonyms
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dberrie2000 wrote:If so--you still have not explained for me how the "homoousios"(same substance) God can refer to God the Son as a resurrected man of flesh and bones--and God the Father--who is only a Spirit.
Luke 24:39---King James Version (KJV) 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Mittens wrote:How many times have I told you Jesus and God the Father are separate and distinct persons
Homoousios Godhead, God, substance Essence and Being all synonyms
Again--if "homoousios" is synonymous with God--then that means God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost comprise the "homoousios" (same substance) God.
How do you collate that face with the belief that God the Father is Spirit only--and God the Son is a resurrected man of flesh and bones? How is that "same substance"?(homoousios)
One being. Three persons. In other words, one "what" and three "who"s. There is one being, God. There are three persons: God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The distinction is between being and person. One being, three persons. One what, three who's.
John Ankerberg [Everything You Ever Wanted to know about Mormonism] Page 104-105 1. There is Only One God 2. The Father is God; 3. Jesus Christ, the Son, is God 4. The Holy Spirit is a Person, is eternal and is therefore God 5. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct persons.
, first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168 A.D. - 183 A.D.), or from the Lat. trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220 A.D.), to express this doctrine. The propositions involved in the doctrine are these: 1. That God is one, and that there is but one God (Deut 6:4; 1 Kings 8:60; Isa 44:6; Mark 12:29,32; John 10:30). 2. That the Father is a distinct divine Person (hypostasis, subsistentia, persona, suppositum intellectuale), distinct from the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3. That Jesus Christ was truly God, and yet was a Person distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit. 4. That the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person.
first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168 A.D. - 183 A.D.), or from the Lat. trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220 A.D.), to express this doctrine. The propositions involved in the doctrine are these: 1. That God is one, and that there is but one God (Deut 6:4; 1 Kings 8:60; Isa 44:6; Mark 12:29,32; John 10:30). 2. That the Father is a distinct divine Person (hypostasis, subsistentia, persona, suppositum intellectuale), distinct from the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3. That Jesus Christ was truly God, and yet was a Person distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit. 4. That the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person.
Mittens wrote:first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168 A.D. - 183 A.D.), or from the Lat. trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220 A.D.), to express this doctrine. The propositions involved in the doctrine are these: 1. That God is one, and that there is but one God ...
Again--are you referring to this "one God"?
1 Corinthians 8:6---King James Version (KJV) 6 But to us there is butone God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Timothy 2:5---King James Version (KJV) 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Ephesians 4:4-6---King James Version (KJV) 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
"I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods," (Teachings of Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370)
The Godhead consists of the three distinct personages and three gods.. The Father Son and Holy Spirit. The Father and Son have bodies of flesh and bones, while the Holy Spirit is a personage of spirit. Robert Millet A Different Jesus page 198
The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35).
Justice = Getting what you deserve Mercy = Not getting what you deserve Grace = Getting what you can never deserve
