Leaked videos of meetings with the Q15

[_mentalgymnast]

...when it comes to you I'm totally predictable.

I think we're both on the same page here.

I'm going to call you out on your apologist BS, EVERY TIME.

If that's the way you see it, then I can't convince you to do otherwise.

And yeah, arguing/contention is not for you... like when you told someone who didn't want to continue a conversation that it was because they allegedly could not control it. Yeah, that's NOT contentious.

I was stating what I believe to be a fact. My intent was not contention. We'll have to agree to disagree. I think you're wrong. But that's OK.

As for NOM, here is what NOM poster cwald said:

Right. The problem is, I don't trust your opinion or take on things anymore. Sorry. Your record here does not merit me believing anything you just stated about General Conference. Your brand of Mental Gymnastics to justify the Mormon take on the world is deplorable in my opinion.

I think I responded to him on this point. As it is, I realize he is going to have his point of view. I'm OK with that. I don't agree with him...but that's OK too.

cwald:
MG, you remind me much more of a stayLDS poster than a NOM poster. Your "theology" and reasoning would not go well even on sites like NOM the last few years i'm guessing.

So, who do I believe? Hmmmm. That's not a hard one. Bye.

I'm not stopping you.

And, I read through the NOM thread. All of those that claimed they were users at NOM didn't seem to have any problems, the only one that disrupted that thread and created contention was... YOU.

I participated in that thread, yes. Others took issue with me. That's OK. We can agree to disagree. I think I was right and also appropriately said what I did earlier in the thread before the thread evolved into a bunch of rather fruitless dialogue, in my opinion.

Whining, complaining, telling them this isn't the place for them.

If you go back and actually read what I said I think you might be able to see that this is an incorrect interpretation of my comments on that thread. But we can agree to disagree. I'm Ok with that. I think you're wrong, however in making this statement. It's too simplistic/reductionist.

Like you are the NOM god or something.

Yeah, right. You sound angry.

No, no problems with them...

Where did I say they have 'problems'? Are you making this stuff up?

...but with YOU... that's a different story.

Par for the course...

Regards,
MG

[_grindael]

I appreciate your suggestion, grindael. I will take it under advisement. What I do or don't do will not be dependent on your wishes/suggestions however. To be honest, I don't know that I value many of your personal reflections/suggestions, etc., although I do value the resources you post online.

It wasn't my suggestion or wish, it was yours. I was just turning it back on it's owner. I guess you don't value your own personal reflections/suggestions, etc., either. Par for the course.

[_mentalgymnast]

I guess you don't value your own personal reflections/suggestions...

Of course I do, I have to live with myself.

I did say that I don't value your personal reflections/suggestions, however. Not much anyway. Here and there I might see a smattering of something that I can value/appreciate in what you have to say...but not all that often. Don't take that personally...others may disagree with me and feel differently.

No problem. It is what it is.

Regards,
MG

[_grindael]

I was stating what I believe to be a fact. My intent was not contention. We'll have to agree to disagree. I think you're wrong. But that's OK.

Honestly, you complain about the same things over and over again and yet you take no action whatsoever to prevent them. I barely read the threads that you participate on for that very reason. I know, as I'm reading, it's going to devolve into complaints. And, like clockwork, here it is again. ... You continue to "chime in" with complaints almost every time I see you start posting here.

I participated in that thread, yes. Others took issue with me. That's OK. We can agree to disagree. I think I was right and also appropriately said what I did earlier in the thread before the thread evolved into a bunch of rather fruitless dialogue, in my opinion.

Because of YOU. Of course you think you were right. You always do.

If you go back and actually read what I said I think you might be able to see that this is an incorrect interpretation of my comments on that thread. But we can agree to disagree. I'm Ok with that. I think you're wrong, however in making this statement. It's too simplistic/reductionist.

Yeah, but funny how someone else said the SAME THING:

your opinion is noted, mentalg, and your mis-use of this topic in order to push your whiny agenda is especially noted. Now that you've told everyone multiple times what meanies people here are, I'm more interested in hearing from other NOM posters.

Like you are the NOM god or something.

Yeah, right. You sound angry.

Nope, Quasi put it very well,

Wow! Are NOMs really that fragile? The ones I've seen posting here recently seem pretty stable to me.They can't ever say that you didn't warn them, but I'll bet that they are quite capable of making decisions about the suitability of this trailer park for their needs, all by themselves. It's very easy for them to just not come back if they are unhappy ... MG seems to portray NOMs as frightened bunnies.

But it isn't correct to say certain views are off limits.

No, no problems with them...

Where did I say they have 'problems'? Are you making this stuff up?

I said it. I never said you said it. There were no problems with any of the NOM's on that thread. YOU were the major problem on that thread. I've spoken to you about your comprehension problem. Here we go again.

Sure thing, mental, it's all me.

[_grindael]

I did say that I don't value your personal reflections/suggestions, however. Not much anyway. Here and there I might see a smattering of something that I can value/appreciate in what you have to say...but not all that often. Don't take that personally...others may disagree with me and feel differently.

I've found no value in anything you've said, you ooze disingenuousness. And I would never take anything you say personally since you are simply just another anonymous apologist.

[_mentalgymnast]

Sure thing, mental, it's all me.

It does take two to tango. I suppose I should bow out...

I hope?

Regards,
MG

[_mentalgymnast]

I did say that I don't value your personal reflections/suggestions, however. Not much anyway. Here and there I might see a smattering of something that I can value/appreciate in what you have to say...but not all that often. Don't take that personally...others may disagree with me and feel differently.

I've found no value in anything you've said, you ooze disingenuousness. And I would never take anything you say personally since you are simply just another anonymous apologist.

The feeling is mutual. But I said it first. Nananananana...

Question to self: why am I, a sixty-year old+ man playing on this playground with this kid?

Time for some real genuflection.

Are we done yet, grindael?

Regards,
MG

[_cwald]

I've found no value in anything you've said, you ooze disingenuousness. ...

Yes, unfortunately. MG has only himself to blame for this perception. He's earned it.

[_mentalgymnast]

I've found no value in anything you've said, you ooze disingenuousness. ...

Yes, unfortunately. MG has only himself to blame for this perception. He's earned it.

Not really. You can't 'blame' someone in a negative light for speaking their truth. Well, you can...but you'd be in the wrong.

Anyway, I should be polite and say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxXdE7pBTjQ

Oh, by the way, cwald...I can't blame you or any others that perceive things the way you do. We're on opposite sides of the tracks. The other. The friend/foe. Religious wars have been fought for centuries. Aren't we just fighting another one here? Opposing forces are going to look at each other with jaundiced eyes. Although truth be told, I wouldn't mind just getting along for getting along's sake. For a long while, that's where things were at on this board...for the most part. It wasn't until grindael and Lemmie came along the things kind of went wonky. It's taken a while since they've been here, but I've resigned myself to the fact that this dynamic probably won't change.

Unfortunately I think this is the simple truth. Time will tell.

Dang it.

It would be nice if we could create a DMZ, but it's kind of like the North Korea and South Korea situation that's been going on for so long. Ain't going to happen and each side finds reasons to slight/hurt the other.

I'd rather call truce...but, I'm not betting on that happening. From the point of view of some folks I keep firing missiles that are duds. And that some of them are blowing up right in my face and I don't even realize it. Right? Absolutely no self awareness, etc.

Oh well, it is what it is.

Thanks for your comments cwald. It looks like I'm just going to keep embarrassing myself.

Masochist that I am.

Regards,
MG

[_cwald]

I'd rather call truce...but, I'm not betting on that happening.
Regards,
MG

Well, okay. It's taken you a long time to lose peoples/my trust. It may take a while to earn it back. I'm willing to give you a shot though.