His going to be gross violation of the emoluments clause, is openly corrupt, and thus deserves to be impeached. Then when you realize he is a significant threat to American democratic institutions and well-being, you'd regard this as a good thing. Mike Pence is an absolutely terrible politician by any normal standard I'd normally think of - a worse version of Ted Cruz - and I'd breath a huge sigh of relief if something made him president. It's natural talk about when and if Trump's going to be impeached because he should be and it would be a positive outcome. But fret not, the most likely answer is never. Republicans will give him a pass on his illegal kleptocracy as long as he signs enough of their bills and Trump's supporters hang like a sword of Damocles over them.
Jersey Girl wrote:He said in an interview that he would repeal and replace at the same time.
You realize, of course, that Trump, himself, cannot repeal and replace the ACA. Congress has to do it.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
While I think Donald Trump appears to have a better shot at being impeached than any other President-elect, you can't impeach a President-elect for being an obnoxious asshole. But 'High Crimes and Misdemeanors', could be construed as halting investigations into Russia's involvement in hacking and election influencing. 'High Crimes and Misdemeanors' could also include self-aggrandizement. We'll have to wait until Trump unveils his financial reorganization and whether he takes to heart the whole concept of 'blind trust'.
Personally, I've been surprised at how vociferous Trump has been in denouncing the idea that Russia tried to influence the election. I don't know if his ego is so fragile he couldn't stand to be thought of as the preferred candidate for Russia, but I genuinely think it hurts his stature as a statesman to not investigate. He has to say "Having fair elections is more important than the short term popularity of any one candidate." He'll gain a lot of gravitas if he says that. But Trump seems to favor short term gratification.
"The great problem of any civilization is how to rejuvenate itself without rebarbarization." - Will Durant "We've kept more promises than we've even made" - Donald Trump "Of what meaning is the world without mind? The question cannot exist." - Edwin Land
EAllusion wrote:I'm going to take the under and say he won't be impeached at all. Is that represented by a number?
No number, just a declaration to be noted.
EAllusion wrote:He is a 70 year old obese man who is the living personification of debauched hedonism. While he seems particularly dedicated to outsourcing aspects of his job more than previous presidents, it's still a notoriously stressful position to be in. I'm thinking there's a not insignificant chance he doesn't live through the next 4 years. If that's in the pool, I'm back in.
I've thought about that too. Maybe it should be a will he die or be impeached first pool. If you'd like to take a stab at when the job will take its ultimate toll, sure, let's add that to the pool.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
I'll make a bet with you that he will not be impeached within your pick...month 22. The wager I offer is that the winner gets to choose a new name and avatar for the other for one year?
I'll even round it off within the first 24 months...?
It will be fun, I lost my rear this year in fantasy football so I need a comeback :)
That's a heavy price for me. Not being some anonymous schmo on the internet?! Giving me an actual name?
Ahh... what the hell. You're on.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
beastie wrote:Well, I'm thinking if they repeal ACA without any replacement, all hell is going to break lose. Lots of Trump voters actually depend on ACA. If they are careful with that, and Trump doesn't cause a war because of an idiotic 3 am tweet, you're probably right and we're stuck.
This is the thing I wonder about the most. They have been bitching hardcore about Obamacare for a long time now, but I have yet to hear their replacement strategy, other than "removing the lines around the states" whatever the hell that means. I don't think they have a coherent plan; they were bitching about it mostly to de-legitimize Obama, in my opinion. It's going to be very interesting to see them try to repeal Obamacare without a replacement when millions are using it. When they attempt to crush it, I think we're going to find out the extent of value people place on it, like never before.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
MeDotOrg wrote:Personally, I've been surprised at how vociferous Trump has been in denouncing the idea that Russia tried to influence the election. I don't know if his ego is so fragile he couldn't stand to be thought of as the preferred candidate for Russia, but I genuinely think it hurts his stature as a statesman to not investigate. He has to say "Having fair elections is more important than the short term popularity of any one candidate." He'll gain a lot of gravitas if he says that. But Trump seems to favor short term gratification.
Drumpf is not an emotionally mature man. He's selfish, petty and vindictive. He's as shallow as the kiddie end of the pool.
It is actually these qualities (or the lack thereof) that make me the most surprised the douche bag was elected President. Surely, I'm not the only one to have observed what a big fat baby he is. It is not an exaggeration when I say I regard my teenage daughter to be more emotionally stable and mature than our president elect.
That's also why I can't help but suspect that the primary reasons he won were partisanship and ignorance, combined with giving people an emotional outlet for their anger at government. That is a much easier to swallow explanation than thinking about the racists/assholes. Not necessarily better, but easier to take.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
I'll make a bet with you that he will not be impeached within your pick...month 22. The wager I offer is that the winner gets to choose a new name and avatar for the other for one year?
I'll even round it off within the first 24 months...?
It will be fun, I lost my rear this year in fantasy football so I need a comeback :)
Some Schmo wrote:That's a heavy price for me. Not being some anonymous schmo on the internet?! Giving me an actual name?
Ahh... what the hell. You're on.
Great...I am already salivating...( and at the same time getting ready for a new name, but don't tell anyone).
I have a few names in mind for you, so far my #1 is "The Weiner man" with a picture of Anthony...
Who's your team in football? Maybe I work a new name off of that. I was born and raised a Rams fan, the way we are looking it might be a big enough insult to just name me the Ram's...wait, that is 2 years away, by then we will be super bowl champs instead of super bowel chumps, Goff with be MVP, and Gurley will be a NFL running back, and Gruden will be coach of the year.
Thanks, this will be fun
MG
Don't take life so seriously in that " sooner or later we are just old men in funny clothes" "Tom 'T-Bone' Wolk"
Markk wrote:I have a few names in mind for you, so far my #1 is "The Weiner man" with a picture of Anthony...
LOL. That would be kind of funny. I'll do it if I lose.
Markk wrote:Who's your team in football? Maybe I work a new name off of that. I was born and raised a Rams fan, the way we are looking it might be a big enough insult to just name me the Ram's...wait, that is 2 years away, by then we will be super bowl champs instead of super bowel chumps, Goff with be MVP, and Gurley will be a NFL running back, and Gruden will be coach of the year.
Thanks, this will be fun
MG
I'm a Niner's fan at my core, but there are a few teams I like and follow. I generally refer to myself as an NFL fan, because I tend to follow what's happening all over the league.
But yeah... San Francisco. Worst team in the league, these days. I'm so glad Chip Kelly is one and done, and it's about time they axed Baalke. If you land the best new coach the league has seen in a while (Harbaugh) and can't make it work, you don't deserve to be general manager.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
beastie wrote:Well, I'm thinking if they repeal ACA without any replacement, all hell is going to break lose. Lots of Trump voters actually depend on ACA. If they are careful with that, and Trump doesn't cause a war because of an idiotic 3 am tweet, you're probably right and we're stuck.
This is the thing I wonder about the most. They have been bitching hardcore about Obamacare for a long time now, but I have yet to hear their replacement strategy, other than "removing the lines around the states" whatever the hell that means. I don't think they have a coherent plan; they were bitching about it mostly to de-legitimize Obama, in my opinion. It's going to be very interesting to see them try to repeal Obamacare without a replacement when millions are using it. When they attempt to crush it, I think we're going to find out the extent of value people place on it, like never before.
I have to agree that it is very likely that the main reason Republicans are so adamant about repealing the ACA is that Obama supported it, and they are bound and determined to reject anything Obama accomplished or tried to accomplish--especially if it was something good and useful. They can't stand the thought of Obama getting credit for anything good. I seriously think that an important reason for them opposing Obama care is that they are afraid it will work, thus making Obama look good. For that reason, I suspect that the greater the probability that full implementation by all the states will actually improve America's healthcare system, the more adamantly they would oppose it. It becomes ever more obvious that the Republicans, much more so than the Democrats, are far less concerned about what is good for the country than about what they perceive is good for their party and their super wealthy corporate donors.
I'm sure that if Mitt Romney had been elected and proposed the same or nearly the same plan (as he actually did for Massachusetts when Governor there), the Republicans would have had very little trouble accepting it.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison