The Constitutional Crisis Thread

[_Res Ipsa]

And what is this Delta airlines computer outage he's talking about? There's too much coming at us at one time to process, or maybe that's just me. I mean is that a case of their throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks? Damn if I know. idks

I think it's a red herring.

[_EAllusion]

And what is this Delta airlines computer outage he's talking about? There's too much coming at us at one time to process, or maybe that's just me. I mean is that a case of their throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks? Damn if I know. idks

I think it's a red herring.

Clearly.

The thing is, the President and his team lie constantly about everything and anything. There's gonna come a day when the US is embroiled in a crisis - military, economic, weather, who knows - and this trait is going to come back to bite them.

[_Mayan Elephant]

The thing is, the President and his team lie constantly about everything and anything. There's gonna come a day when the US is embroiled in a crisis - military, economic, weather, who knows - and this trait is going to come back to bite them.

Typically yes. I agree with the concept and the probability.

We are not in typical times or circumstances.

I just watched the Pelosi town hall. I would buy a 100.00 wager today that Trump wins reelection.

[_Kevin Graham]

And what is this Delta airlines computer outage he's talking about? There's too much coming at us at one time to process, or maybe that's just me. I mean is that a case of their throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks? Damn if I know. idks

"Delta's computer outage, which did cause major delays and at least 250 flights to be canceled, didn't occur until Sunday night. But the protests over the holding of individuals and the travel ban had been well underway for two days at that point." - http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/ ... migration/

Could you imagine if Obama had said something so obviously false as this?

[_EAllusion]

The thing is, the President and his team lie constantly about everything and anything. There's gonna come a day when the US is embroiled in a crisis - military, economic, weather, who knows - and this trait is going to come back to bite them.

Typically yes. I agree with the concept and the probability.

We are not in typical times or circumstances.

I just watched the Pelosi town hall. I would buy a 100.00 wager today that Trump wins reelection.

If Trump wins reelection it will be because macro-factors like economic conditions that are decent and/or things like federal crushing of unions and voter suppression, not because of whatever internecine wars you have in your own mind that there is very little evidence move voter behavior much at all.

Trump's probably a slight favorite this far out. Just not because of the reasons you think.

[_Jersey Girl]

Clearly.

The thing is, the President and his team lie constantly about everything and anything. There's gonna come a day when the US is embroiled in a crisis - military, economic, weather, who knows - and this trait is going to come back to bite them.

Here is my deal. I think you can tell by the questions I ask, that I am well out of my depth when it comes to politics and world affairs. I have just enough self confidence to put myself out there to see if I can better understand what is taking place. I'm pretty sure I represent the average American.

I can see that Trump is trying to make a point of making good on his campaign promises to the American people. But my sense is that he's moving way too fast, has too many balls up in the air and my greatest concern right now is that I think we're vulnerable as all hell. I think if some terrorist group or foreign power wanted to screw with us, this would be the opportune time to do it.

He's only been in office less than 2 weeks and I keep worrying about what if all hell breaks loose somewhere in the world, or god forbid a terrorist attack on American soil, how in the world we're going to deal with it.

[_Mayan Elephant]

If Trump wins it will be because more people vote for him in more states.

When will the census numbers be accumulated and used for new district allocations? After 2020?

So the upcoming voter suppression is going to be done by gerrymandering or murder?

[_EAllusion]

So the upcoming voter suppression is going to be done by gerrymandering or murder?

Voter roll purges targeted at Democrats by doing things like challenging minority-sounding names, shutting down down Democrat voter registration drives or seizing and disqualifying registrations under dubious circumstances, selective, burdensome ID requirements, poll closings, maybe some creative stuff none of us have anticipated. The usual, but with federal backing and on a wider scale.

If Trump wins it will be because more people vote for him in more states.

Yes, the team that scores the most points will win. Incisive analysis. I'm just pointing out nothing Nancy Pelosi is saying right now will move votes in the 2020 election one way or the other to any meaningful extent.

You seem convinced unless Democrats adopt a Michael Moore approach to policy and rhetoric they are doomed based almost entirely on your personal political predilections and against an avalanche of evidence about how elections work.

[_Mayan Elephant]

You seem convinced unless Democrats adopt a Michael Moore approach to policy and rhetoric they are doomed based almost entirely on your personal political predilections and against an avalanche of evidence about how elections work.

just the opposite. exactly the opposite. how do you come up with this crap?

i think they should learn one thing from michael moore - get on your horse, put down your phone, go talk to real people. end of damned story. moore is right about that.

they are doomed because we have no idea what the hell these democrats are doing, or what they want to do. all we know from democrats is that they ran against Trump, and he won. and they are running against Trump again. banking reform is no longer a concern. student loan crisis is pending, so the hell what. we got nobody on that yet.

the avalanche of evidence is that elections are won by the accumulation of personal choices of real people that vote. when democrats have their own ideas that attract those people, and real leaders to lead those people, they will win. pretty simple.

[_EAllusion]

just the opposite. exactly the opposite. how do you come up with this crap?

i think they should learn one thing from michael moore - get on your horse, put down your phone, go talk to real people. end of damned story. moore is right about that.

That is the Michael Moore approach. Like, have you seen his films? You think the Democrats need to embrace left-wing populism currently best symbolized by Bernie Sanders. I'm sure it is a coincidence that your strategic prescription appears to be the same as your policy preferences, but if the election of Trump should've taught you anything is that the public isn't all that ideologically rigorous.