I live in Chicago. It was rainy AF yesterday and rainy AF today.
zerinus wrote:I am not biased about the source I draw my information from. I am interested in good information. Where it comes from is irrelevant as far as I am concerned.
Well, now that you know CARM gave you false information on Origen and cherry-picked Epiphanius, hopefully you'll Google more carefully in the future. You should always check and double-check everything the folks at CARM write, whether on Mormonism or anything else.
by the way, here is the commentary on Andronicus and Junia from Origen for anyone who cares:
"It is indeed possible that they were Paul's relatives even according to the flesh and that they believed in Christ before him and were held to be noble among the apostles of Christ. It can also be understood that perhaps they were of the seventy-two, who themselves were also named apostles, and on that account he would call them noble among the apostles, even among those apostles who were before him." (
Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans 10.21.2, as translated into Latin and preserved by Rufinus, translated into English by Thomas Scheck)
And here is a full list of commentators from the first ~1100 years of Christian history who said Junia was a woman (though some used the variant "Julia," also feminine):
Origen (mentioned earlier) as translated by Rufinus (AD 345 - 410), Ambrose (339 - 397), John Chrysostom (cited earlier), Ambrosiaster (ca. 375), Jerome (c. 345-419), Theodoret of Cyrrhus (cited earlier), Oecumenius (first half of the sixth century), Ps.-Primasius (died c. 567), John Damascene (c. 675-ca. 749), Claudius of Turin (d. 827), Sedulius-Scotus (Florida. 848-858), Rabanus Maurus (c. 776 - 856), Hraban of Fulda (780-856), Haymo of Halberstadt (Florida. 840-853), Hatto of Vercelli (10th century), Lanfranc of Bec (c. 1005 - 1089), Bruno of Carthusian (c. 1030 - 1101), Theophylact (Florida. 1070 - 1081); Peter Abelard (1079 - 1142), Guillelmus Abbas (1085 - 1147/48), Peter Lombard (c. 1095 - 1169), and Herveus Burgidolensis (late 11th century - 1151).
I'm putting together a post for my blog because I'm tired of having these same dumb arguments with people over and over again, I'll post the link when I'm done.