Themis wrote:
You are discussing it with people who used to be believers.
Believing in God doesn't necessarily make people happier, and in many cases creates beliefs that are harmful to them and the world.
As I've mentioned multiple times I think we come to a place of 'stalemate' when we approach life, and our experiences, with differing views on the existence of a creator/God. I really don't think we can bridge that gap once it is there. There is a certain degree of dogmatism that exists on both sides. That's why, and I've said this before too, these conversations are in some ways sort of useless and/or non-fruitful.
Personally, I think it is important to point out that belief in God and a Savior/Redeemer are not incoherent with the 'real world'...at least the one I live in. Although (and I believe this fairly strongly), once we look at SIN as being either 'relative' and/or construction of belief/practice...by men...used for control by religious 'overseers' we may then find God somewhat irrelevant in our lives. When Jesus said that we need to come to Him with a "broken heart and a contrite spirit" I think that he is referring to having to give up some/all of our pride (worldly knowledge based purely on the physical (five senses), personal moral whims/desires, holier than thou sorts of practices and behaviors, etc.)
I am the first to admit that believers are going (and I've said this a number of times) to be at a distinct disadvantage discussing 'things of the spirit' because we cannot hand over to someone else the life experience, knowledge, and spiritual inclinations/enlightenment to someone else. That's why the secularists/agnostics on this board see the believers as being, at the end of the day, duped and/or not worthy of serious consideration.
And, if I were in your position, I'd probably see things the same way.
I can only encourage those that believe that there is something more to existence...than, well, existence...that the experience/path of finding that 'spiritual life/light' and possibility/hope for eternal learning/progress is worth the effort.
Regards,
MG
But I also don't see myself as a "jellyfish"...although I can see, believe it or not, why you might. 
You, of course, are free to take it or leave it...just as I 'leave' your world view as being a 'less than' version of what is available and/or can be had. I actually think that your world view is rather limiting and/or stifling...but that's another discussion.