On audits, elections and public trust

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Mayan,

How would elections need to be set up in order for them to be trustworthy?

... Anyway, what is your suggestion?

I always liked the idea of a thumb or fingerprint on one’s ballot. You could literally have a peel-off square with some ink under it, press your thumb onto it, and then in a box next to it press your now inked digit onto the square. Do that for both in-person and mail-in ballots. BUT, I think that’d have an adverse reaction among voters and registering to vote.

- Doc

[Jersey Girl]

Mayan,

How would elections need to be set up in order for them to be trustworthy?

... Anyway, what is your suggestion?

I always liked the idea of a thumb or fingerprint on one’s ballot. You could literally have a peel-off square with some ink under it, press your thumb onto it, and then in a box next to it press your now inked digit onto the square. Do that for both in-person and mail-in ballots. BUT, I think that’d have an adverse reaction among voters and registering to vote.

- Doc

What would you suggest for folks who don't have fingerprints?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I always liked the idea of a thumb or fingerprint on one’s ballot. You could literally have a peel-off square with some ink under it, press your thumb onto it, and then in a box next to it press your now inked digit onto the square. Do that for both in-person and mail-in ballots. BUT, I think that’d have an adverse reaction among voters and registering to vote.

- Doc

What would you suggest for folks who don't have fingerprints?

An exemption, I guess.

- Doc

[Jersey Girl]

What would you suggest for folks who don't have fingerprints?

An exemption, I guess.

- Doc

Cool. I don't have good fingerprints. Those scanner deals couldn't read me at 24 Hour Swim/Fitness or at Universal Studios. Also school district fingerprints for CBI/FBI...were a mess. They approved me anyway.

I may or may not be able to get away with something now.

[Mayan Elephant]

Mayan,

How would elections need to be set up in order for them to be trustworthy?


Anyway, what is your suggestion?

Thank you, Gadianton.

For me to participate again, two items:
1) In person voting ONLY with a single exception for deployed personnel who do not have access to a military base.
2) Valid voter ID that is consistent with audited voter registration rolls.

Remedies for this would be increased polling stations and voting at USA embassies, consulates and military bases.

We have a metric ton of usable technology to achieve this. If we can deliver anything overnight using our technology, we can provide adequate access to all people to vote in person. I think that open polls for up to 17 days prior to the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November would be helpful and reasonable. I think that a national holiday for voting would be patriotic and appropriate. While these secondary ideas are not mandatory for my participation, items 1 and 2 are not negotiable for me. Without them, I will be sitting back and doing something else with my time and energy.

I think that is a fair and reasonable response on my part. I am not complaining. I am not calling people names. I am just saying it will not work for me and that I am not willing to put the shine on a process that is rife with issues and contention. I have no delusions that my position will have an effect on anyone that disagrees with me, other than making their votes infinitesimally more weighted without me.

[Mayan Elephant]

Despite your denials to the contrary you seem more like a delusional Trump sycophant with every post you make!

At no point ever have I made an endorsement of Trump in this conversation. I voted for Trump in 2020. I also live in California so who cares how I vote? My vote was a choice, based on the options that were available to me. I was a registered Democrat and wanted to vote for Tulsi, but that did not work out.

Gunnar, do what you gotta do. If you need me to seem like something so to soothe your fragile hurt feelings, go for it. If you would rather just call me names or insult me and ignore the facts or the topic, cool. Just know, that the topic was ideological divides, fault lines and post-mos. You have exclaimed the point which is that some post-mos are ideological and cast all facts aside to lob nonsense over a fault line between ideologies. Thanks for your contribution.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Despite your denials to the contrary you seem more like a delusional Trump sycophant with every post you make!

At no point ever have I made an endorsement of Trump in this conversation. I voted for Trump in 2020. I also live in California so who cares how I vote? My vote was a choice, based on the options that were available to me. I was a registered Democrat and wanted to vote for Tulsi, but that did not work out.

Gunnar, do what you gotta do. If you need me to seem like something so to soothe your fragile hurt feelings, go for it. If you would rather just call me names or insult me and ignore the facts or the topic, cool. Just know, that the topic was ideological divides, fault lines and post-mos. You have exclaimed the point which is that some post-mos are ideological and cast all facts aside to lob nonsense over a fault line between ideologies. Thanks for your contribution.

I’m starting to think ME isn’t very self-aware. Also, who cares if you registered Democrat in CA? You understand that if you want your vote to count for something primaries are where it’s at. Democrats here in UT register as Republicans en masse so they can vote in their primaries. You’re a Trumper, and you clearly believe there was widespread election fraud in 2020, hence your rage quitting.

- Doc

[Gunnar]

The most credible and compelling accusation of an actually stolen election I can think of is the Georgia State Gubernatorial election of 2018 between Stacey Abrams and Brian Kemp, in which Kemp refused to recuse himself from overseeing the election as Georgia Secretary of State, despite being one of the candidates. Besides that, for years he had been systematically purging as many voters from the voter rolls as he could - in some cases, as Abrams pointed out, eligible people who had never failed to vote in previous elections, and brand new citizens trying to exercise their newly acquired franchise to vote. As one of the commentators to the video said:

I still can't[sic] get over the fact that it is legal in the US to be able to supervise an election you are running in. (Georgia)

[Gunnar]

At no point ever have I made an endorsement of Trump in this conversation. I voted for Trump in 2020.

Yet you admit you voted for Trump! That says it all (thanks for your honesty)!

It is beyond my comprehension how any intelligent, at least moderately well informed individual could have voted for a narcissistic, incompetent and demonstrably pathological liar like Trump, even over as flawed a candidate as Hillary Clinton! I voted for Hillary in 2016, not because I thought she was the best possible candidate for the job, but because I honestly thought she was lesser of the two most likely to be elected evils, and Biden was also clearly a better choice than Trump in 2020. Trump's colossal mishandling of the pandemic response alone should have been enough to convince you of that!

It seems to me that you are probably just too embarrassed to admit to having made such a huge mistake!

[Icarus]

Some people just like to hear themselves talk. MAD is home to a lot of those types.