Amelia Earhart captured by Japanese, didn't crash in the sea

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MissTish wrote:This was in The Guardian today, if anyone is interested:

Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan


Documentary claimed photo showed aviator on Japanese-held Marshall Islands in 1937, but image was found in book published two years earlier


....But serious doubts now surround the film’s premise after a Tokyo-based blogger unearthed the same photograph in the archives of the National Diet Library, Japan’s national library.

The image was part of a Japanese-language travelogue about the South Seas that was published almost two years before Earhart disappeared. Page 113 states the book was published in Japanese-held Palau on 10 October 1935.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... r-by-japan


This could be a staged disinformation campaign by Japan to discredit the story of the picture found.

Face it: Had the Japanese been responsible for Earhart's capture and execution, it would be to its advantage to hide and cover up the fact it ever took place. It would be a cover up from the highest levels of government down.

The Japanese are closely guarded.

What better way to discredit a photo of Earhart, Noonan, and their plane than to have a publication on file in Japan's National Archives showing the same photo was taken in 1935?

It also makes no mention of who is in the photograph. While Noonan's and Amelia's features were visibly noticeable to the investigators collaborating the one on file w/US National Archives. And their airplane being towed on board with them.

Interesting find - only adds to the mystery.

The Japanese will never admit to murdering America's sweetheart. It has nothing to gain and everything to lose. I can see it going to extraordinary measures to hide that including fabricating evidence a.k.a. disinformation for just such a time as this.
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I didn't realize the photo story had been posted here. Here's another from CNN also debunking the photo for the same reasons.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/12/asia/amel ... index.html
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Interesting. Thanks for posting that.
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Amelia and bone-sniffing dogs:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/07/forensic-dogs-amelia-earhart-spot-where-died/

by the way, wouldn't it be fun is there as a Fox News Special with Geraldo Rivera at the opening of Amelia's tomb? That could help divert the news attention away from that Russia thing.
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AmyJo wrote:This could be a staged disinformation campaign by Japan to discredit the story of the picture found.

Yup, of course.

There is no way that this could be a piece of evidence pointing to the not astonishing possibility that a much-hyped TV film was based on over-sensationalised use of highly ambiguous and very shaky evidence.

I mean, you know, the Japanese .... you never know what they will get up to.

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Chap wrote:
AmyJo wrote:This could be a staged disinformation campaign by Japan to discredit the story of the picture found.


Yup, of course.

There is no way that this could be a piece of evidence pointing to the not astonishing possibility that a much-hyped TV film was based on over-sensationalised use of highly ambiguous and very shaky evidence.

I mean, you know, the Japanese .... you never know what they will get up to.


This is just more proof you are sick in the head.
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It's like the Malaysian Airliner that disappeared. We human beings want closure. An airplane goes down in the middle of the Ocean, and we have a hard time accepting the fact we cannot find it or the passengers. The world is apparently still bigger than we are, from time to time.

It was a tantalizing photograph. The idea that she somehow survived the crash would have burnished her image.
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Chap wrote:
AmyJo wrote:This could be a staged disinformation campaign by Japan to discredit the story of the picture found.

Yup, of course.

There is no way that this could be a piece of evidence pointing to the not astonishing possibility that a much-hyped TV film was based on over-sensationalised use of highly ambiguous and very shaky evidence.

I mean, you know, the Japanese .... you never know what they will get up to.

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[MODERATOR NOTE: Jesus Christ, Chap, you MUST know better than that.]


I suppose that the picture might have been a little ambiguous ... what where those girls up to, I wonder? The problem is that the viewer's imagination inevitably supplies the interpretation that the viewer feels most embarrassed about, even though there is no element in the picture that is indecent. That has a relevance to the way that the very sketchy evidence in this discussion is being interpreted in the most sinister and conspiratorial way possible.

But after reading a thread full of ludicrous stereotypes about Japanese people, I felt it necessary to lob a ridicule bomb to disrupt proceedings. Those awful, closed sinister evil alien beings - quite a few of who are my friends and colleagues - are as varied as any other nation, including Americans, just as nice and just as nasty. Maybe these images will make the point in a more acceptable way?

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Just finished watching a documentary on the Science channel about Amelia Earhart, remembered she had been mentioned in a thread here, so came to read about it--where I find, to my surprise, that a different show entirely is being discussed!

the show I watched was on the Science Channel, and was based on the Tighar group research efforts, I'm sure it was rebroadcast this week in response to the History Channel mockumentary shown last week. In fact, on the home page of the research team featured in the show is this:

The photo at the center of the History Channel show “Amelia Earhart – The Lost Evidence” was taken before October, 1935 – nearly two years before Amelia Earhart and navigator Fred Noonan disappeared on July 2, 1937. Despite the breathless assurances of the show’s experts, the people in the photo cannot possibly be the lost fliers.
The picture is one of many in a travel book titled “Umino Seimeisen Wagananyou no sugata: (Nanyo gunto shashincho)” which translates as “The Life Line of the Sea, My South Sea Memoir (South Sea Archipelago Photo Book).” It is by Notoaki Nishino of Palau and published by Fumio Almano in Tokyo on October 10, 1935. The book may be viewed on line. The photo is on book page 44 (Web Reader Frame 99). MORE.
https://tighar.org/index.html


And here is the research the show was reporting:
The Earhart Project

The Earhart Project was inaugurated in November of 1988 with the stated purpose of investigating the Earhart/Noonan disappearance according to accepted academic standards and using sound scientific methodology. Now in its fourteenth year, the project has conducted four expeditions to the Central Pacific and has raised and spent something over $2 million in contributed funds.

Valid conclusions can not be drawn from invalid information, and for that reason the Earhart Project began with, and continues to focus on, the gathering and study of the best original source information available pertaining to the Earhart/Noonan flight, disappearance and search. What we have found is a popular mystery shot through with myth and legend. In the course of TIGHAR’s investigation, many new and important observations have been gleaned from an abundance of original archival sources, and several previously unknown historical documents have been found which both correct and significantly add to our understanding of events surrounding the Earhart disappearance. For example: we know now that Earhart departed on her final flight with 1,100 U.S. gallons of fuel – enough for roughly 24 hours of endurance and enough to give her, at least in theory, more than three hours of flight time after she was last heard from. We also know that the Itasca radio log entry which records her as saying that she was “circling” is a strike-over of the erased original entry “drifting.” What she probably said was that she was “listening.”

The facts of the case point to Gardner Island, the place where the Navy flyers in 1937 saw “signs of recent habitation” on an officially uninhabited atoll. Today known as Nikumaroro, the island is part of the Republic of Kiribati. Although colonized by the British with settlers from the Gilbert Islands in late 1938, the atoll was abandoned in 1963 and has been uninhabited ever since. TIGHAR expeditions to the island have recovered a number of artifacts from the deserted and overgrown village which are known to be salvaged aircraft parts. Some of these are of World War II origin, but others are not and appear to be consistent with the Lockheed Model 10E Electra flown by Earhart. At another site on the island, the remains of an American woman’s shoe of the same style and size worn by Earhart were found in 1991. In 1997, further archaeological excavations at this site produced the remnants of a small campfire and a fragment of what appears to have been a label from a can of food. The site was originally discovered by TIGHAR field researchers who were investigating a legend that told of bones, a cognac bottle and an American woman’s shoe said to have been found on the island by the first settlers.

It wasn’t until the summer of 1997, months after the expedition that found the campfire, that a file was found in the national archives of the Republic of Kiribati in Tarawa which confirmed the legend as historical fact with sixteen pieces of official British colonial correspondence. Human remains, the sole of a woman’s shoe, a Benedictine bottle, a campfire and other artifacts were indeed found on the island in 1940 at a site which fits the description of the one later found by TIGHAR. The Colonial Service officer in charge of the island suspected that the castaway who had died at the primitive campsite might have been Amelia Earhart. The bones and artifacts were sent to British headquarters in Fiji for examination and the matter was declared “strictly secret.” In April of 1941, an analysis of the bones by a physician concluded that the individual was probably a muscular middle-aged male of European descent, and that is where the matter appears to have ended. Later that year, other events in the Pacific overshadowed any remaining curiosity about an unidentified castaway on a minor atoll.

More new clues have come in the form of anecdotal accounts by former residents of Nikumaroro who describe pieces of aircraft wreckage on the reef and an airplane wreck in the heavy vegetation along a particular section of shoreline which has not yet been searched by TIGHAR. Digital analysis of aerial photos of the island has corroborated this testimony with indications of metal objects in the reported locations.

New information, new historical documents and new physical evidence – all gathered and assessed according to rigorous scientific standards – have resulted in several field expeditions to Nikumaroro and to Fiji. Click on any of the links below to read archived daily reports, artifact assessments, and plans for upcoming field work.
https://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Ove ... rview.html
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The claim that she was taken by the Japanese is bogus. The picture used to build the case was taken two years before her disappearance.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... r-by-japan

Claims made in a US documentary that the pioneering aviator Amelia Earhart crash-landed on the Marshall Islands in the Pacific Ocean and was taken prisoner by the Japanese appear to have been proved false by a photograph unearthed in a travel book.

The History Channel documentary, Amelia Earhart: The Lost Evidence, which aired in the US on Sunday, made the claim that the American and her navigator, Fred Noonan, ended up in Japanese custody based on a photograph discovered in the US national archives that purported to show them standing at a harbour on one of the islands.

The film said the image “may hold the key to solving one of history’s all-time greatest mysteries” and suggested it disproved the widely accepted theory that Earhart and Noonan disappeared over the western Pacific on 2 July 1937 near the end of their attempt at a history-making flight around the world.

But serious doubts now surround the film’s premise after a Tokyo-based blogger unearthed the same photograph in the archives of the National Diet Library, Japan’s national library.

The image was part of a Japanese-language travelogue about the South Seas that was published almost two years before Earhart disappeared. Page 113 states the book was published in Japanese-held Palau on 10 October 1935.

The caption beneath the image makes no mention of the identities of the people in the photograph. It describes maritime activity at the harbour on Jabor in the Jaluit atoll – the headquarters for Japan’s administration of the Marshall Islands between the first world war and its defeat in the second world war.

The caption notes that monthly races between schooners belonging to local tribal leaders and other vessels turned the port into a “bustling spectacle”.

Kota Yamano, a military history blogger who unearthed the Japanese photograph, said it took him just 30 minutes to effectively debunk the documentary’s central claim.
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