Former Stake President Excommunicated for being a woman.

[_Jersey Girl]

I see a lot of negative opinions, but nothing that convinces me these people are disreputable or provably wrong. Are they lying to people?

1. Why do you keep ignoring the Oxford definition of Gender? By definition the Biology is irrelevant.

2. The ACP (American College of Pediatricians) is not a legitimate medical organization, its name is designed to be mistaken for the American Academy of Pediatrics.

3. The American Academy of Pediatrics is a national organization with some 60,000 members. The American College of Pediatricians only has about 200 members, there are more Mormon scholars Testify than that s***!
https://www.fairmormon.org/testimonies/scholars

Seriously, when are you going to cut the horse s***?

The answer to your question is: never. He's never going to cut the crap. No matter how many people inform him or how many ways in which he's told, he's going to ignore fact in favor of the bias fog that clouds his position.

I believe EA addressed the issue of brain states and I have bothered myself to dumb it down to child level to explain to him that gender identity is in your head and not your body. He pulls this diagnosis out of his butt without bothering himself to find out so..."What do you do about it?"

When the "What do you do about it?" in terms of therapy is to match the body identity to the MIND.

I'm sure he hoped that therapy or medications could "cure" the disorder. I refer him to the efficacy of conversion therapy for homosexuals.

You're talking to a genuine dumb crap or a troll who doesn't mind looking like a dumb crap, DT.

[_Jersey Girl]

The American College of Pediatricians Is an Anti-LGBT Group
--A small but clever anti-LGBT group created a legit-sounding name.
Posted May 08, 2017

The ACP is a small group of physicians that left the AAP after the AAP released a 2002 policy statement explaining that gay parents pose no risk to adopted children.

The Southern Poverty Law Center has repeatedly labeled the ACP as an anti-LGBT hate group that promotes false claims and misleading scientific reports.

...When asked about the ACP, Dr. Scott Leibowitz, medical director of the THRIVE program at Nationwide Children's Hospital and chair of the sexual orientation and gender identity issues committee for the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, did not parse his words, "It can hardly be a credible medical organization when it consistently chooses to ignore science and the growing evidence base that clearly demonstrates the benefits of affirmative care with LGBT youth across all ages."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/po ... lgbt-group

I would add to your above by saying that GID is defined and described in the DSM-5 as a psychiatric disorder. That is to say, you can discredit the organization as you have, but the diagnosis claim still stands.

I'm more than certain that WD thought he was going to have himself a little "gotcha moment" by posting that. Shame that he didn't bother to research treatment goals for the disorder.

Or the organization he chose to quote.

[Guest]

As for your other points, that's like your opinion man. Yes, it's a comparatively small organization. Although it claims far more members than you give it credit for. That doesn't make it illegitimate. It was formed by the former president of the revered AAP you reference. They certainly have more credibility than you. Can you disprove their claims?

Who should we believe, an organization that is smaller than Mormon Scholars Testify, or the 36,000-member American Psychiatric Association? the American Psychiatric Association states, “It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder.”

Yes, it's a comparatively small organization. Although it claims far more members than you give it credit for.

Bulls***! So how many do they claim?
https://www.acpeds.org/about-us

"The AAP has approximately 60,000 members in the United States, Canada, Mexico, and many other countries."
http://www.aafp.org/media-center/kits/h ... e/aap.html

It was formed by the former president of the revered AAP you reference. They certainly have more credibility than you. Can you disprove their claims?

Look at the Position Statements of ACP
Opposition to gay adoption.
"Letting parents choose" when it comes to the proven beneficial HPV vaccine.
Support of corporal punishment.
Opposition to abortion and euthanasia,
Opposition to the support of gay teens in schools.
Opposition to anything involving transgender issues in children
Support of abstinence-only sex education.
http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speak ... statements

A "medical organization" that is political? LOL get that crap out.

Thomas, the definition of the word gender has nothing to do with the debate at hand. By separating the gender from the biology you're unwittingly arguing in favor of my position.

No one here is denying the Biology.

[_Jersey Girl]

As for your other points, that's like your opinion man. Yes, it's a comparatively small organization. Although it claims far more members than you give it credit for. That doesn't make it illegitimate. It was formed by the former president of the revered AAP you reference. They certainly have more credibility than you. Can you disprove their claims?

This is how stupid you are. You attempt to defend the organization instead of the DSM-5 diagnosis.

Not that it would matter in the long run, because treatment goals would completely mop the floor with your assumptions and assertions.

[_Jersey Girl]

That I spend time supporting my own position and have to school on in how to support yours, is pretty damn sad, WD.

Again, though, it would have fallen flat on it's face because you're wrong and nothing can make you right. You know...wish in one hand.

As you so kindly invited us to do earlier.

[_DoubtingThomas]

The answer to your question is: never. He's never going to cut the ____.

Sad

[_Lemmie]

The Southern Poverty Law Center

The SLPC is itself a hate group, widely recognized and well documented as such. Anybody who cites them loses immediately credibility. Even the FBI had to drop them as a 3rd party resource after they started defending domestic terror organizations.

CFR. Which you can't do, so here's your nonsense debunked:

Conservative news outlets are hyping a minor website change to suggest that the FBI is distancing itself from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) - a group that monitors hate speech and violence - in response to criticism from anti-gay organizations. But the FBI has issued a statement debunking that narrative and continues to publicly tout its partnership with SPLC on its website.https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2014/ ... y-l/198645

With the above, you have again taken a tiny excerpt from a post, commented on it with statements that you do not support, and in this case, are NOT true. All this to avoid the point of my post, which was a response to your post:

I see a lot of negative opinions, but nothing that convinces me these people are disreputable or provably wrong. Are they lying to people?

And here's my post in response:

The American College of Pediatricians Is an Anti-LGBT Group
--A small but clever anti-LGBT group created a legit-sounding name.
Posted May 08, 2017

The ACP is a small group of physicians that left the AAP after the AAP released a 2002 policy statement explaining that gay parents pose no risk to adopted children.

The Southern Poverty Law Center has repeatedly labeled the ACP as an anti-LGBT hate group that promotes false claims and misleading scientific reports.

...When asked about the ACP, Dr. Scott Leibowitz, medical director of the THRIVE program at Nationwide Children's Hospital and chair of the sexual orientation and gender identity issues committee for the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, did not parse his words, "It can hardly be a credible medical organization when it consistently chooses to ignore science and the growing evidence base that clearly demonstrates the benefits of affirmative care with LGBT youth across all ages."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/po ... lgbt-group

ACP is not a reputable source.

[_Kishkumen]

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2014/03/27/no-the-fbi-hasnt-ditched-the-southern-poverty-l/198645

Conservative news outlets are hyping a minor website change to suggest that the FBI is distancing itself from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) - a group that monitors hate speech and violence - in response to criticism from anti-gay organizations. But the FBI has issued a statement debunking that narrative and continues to publicly tout its partnership with SPLC on its website.

[_Jersey Girl]

Huffpo, SPLC, and now Media Matters. All that's missing is Sally Kohn. And I'm the extremist? My last post, y'all enjoy.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... hate-group

How many times over the past few days, on this thread and in the Paradise Forum, have multiple posters asked you what the hell was wrong with you or implied that you're nuts?

When you are the recipient of similar and multiple remarks, the problem is you.

[_Lemmie]

Huffpo, SPLC, and now Media Matters. All that's missing is Sally Kohn. And I'm the extremist? My last post, y'all enjoy.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... hate-group

In this entire thread, you have provided references only twice for your bigoted comments, both of which were thoroughly debunked. You have resorted to so many fallacious arguments readers have lost count. You have exhibited bigotry, hatred for those different from you, and used language that is disgusting. You plagiarized another article, and then misrepresented one of those quoted using hate speech. And after all of that, you still haven't explained why you feel this way:

I'm not going to neuter my own identity, the identify of my culture, the culture of my children, so he can feel good about himself.

So water dog, what is it about accepting another person as transgendered that makes you feel neutered?