Joseph Smith & a LITERAL 3500 Year Old Abraham Autograph

[_zerinus]

Philo, I want you to look closely at this verse crafted by Joseph Smith who was the true author of the Book of Abraham:

But the records of the fathers, even the patriarchs, concerning the right of Priesthood, the Lord my God preserved in mine own hands; therefore a knowledge of the beginning of the creation, and also of the planets, and of the stars, as they were made known unto the fathers, have I kept even unto this day, and I shall endeavor to write some of these things upon this record, for the benefit of my posterity that shall come after me.

Abraham said he had some records of his forefathers that talked about priesthood and astronomy. He notes that those old records were "PRESERVED" as if they were original writings of his fathers, documents that had been kept in the family line. That is exactly what is being expressed in this claim that Abraham had original documents that had been handed down, AUTOGRAPHS of the patriarchs.

Then note that Abraham is going to add his 2 cents to the record when he says "I shall endeavor to write some of these things upon this record", in a nutshell, he's going to add his autograph and write with his own hand upon the family scrolls.

Joseph Smith claimed his Egyptian documents were preserved and written by Abraham and Joseph's own hands. Thus we see what Joseph Smith really meant when he said, "Written by his own hand" -- original autographs.

Wrong on all accounts. Being “preserved” does not mean that they were the original “autographs”. It means that they were genuine, faithful, authentic reproductions of them. How far removed from the original or first autograph is not an issue. As long as they were faithful reproductions, they were as good as the original or first autograph.

[_sock puppet]

Philo, I want you to look closely at this verse crafted by Joseph Smith who was the true author of the Book of Abraham:

But the records of the fathers, even the patriarchs, concerning the right of Priesthood, the Lord my God preserved in mine own hands; therefore a knowledge of the beginning of the creation, and also of the planets, and of the stars, as they were made known unto the fathers, have I kept even unto this day, and I shall endeavor to write some of these things upon this record, for the benefit of my posterity that shall come after me.

Abraham said he had some records of his forefathers that talked about priesthood and astronomy. He notes that those old records were "PRESERVED" as if they were original writings of his fathers, documents that had been kept in the family line. That is exactly what is being expressed in this claim that Abraham had original documents that had been handed down, AUTOGRAPHS of the patriarchs.

Then note that Abraham is going to add his 2 cents to the record when he says "I shall endeavor to write some of these things upon this record", in a nutshell, he's going to add his autograph and write with his own hand upon the family scrolls.

Joseph Smith claimed his Egyptian documents were preserved and written by Abraham and Joseph's own hands. Thus we see what Joseph Smith really meant when he said, "Written by his own hand" -- original autographs.

Wrong on all accounts. Being “preserved” does not mean that they were the original “autographs”. It means that they were genuine, faithful, authentic reproductions of them. How far removed from the original or first autograph is not an issue. As long as they were faithful reproductions, they were as good as the original or first autograph.

Unless he had the 'original or first autograph' for purposes of comparing, how would he know whether it is a faithful reproduction?

[_schreech]

[_Jersey Girl]

My god I flippin' love your posts.

[_Jersey Girl]

delete

[_I have a question]

Wrong on all accounts. Being “preserved” does not mean that they were the original “autographs”. It means that they were genuine, faithful, authentic reproductions of them. How far removed from the original or first autograph is not an issue. As long as they were faithful reproductions, they were as good as the original or first autograph.

Except it is now inescapably known that they were genuine, faithful, authentic reproductions of a common funeral text, not anything to do with the fictional character Abraham.

[_zerinus]

Unless he had the 'original or first autograph' for purposes of comparing, how would he know whether it is a faithful reproduction?

Because he was a prophet, and also knew and trusted the pedigree of their transmission.

[_zerinus]

Except it is now inescapably known that they were genuine, faithful, authentic reproductions of a common funeral text, not anything to do with the fictional character Abraham.

I take that as an admission of defeat and lost argument, thank you.

[_I have a question]

Except it is now inescapably known that they were genuine, faithful, authentic reproductions of a common funeral text, not anything to do with the fictional character Abraham.

I take that as an admission of defeat and lost argument, thank you.

To anyone with a basic understanding of the English language, that paragraph of mine reads the exact opposite of how you suggest it reads.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Zerinus' debate style is akin to Homer Simpson's boxing style.

- Doc