Joseph Smith & a LITERAL 3500 Year Old Abraham Autograph

[_Shulem]

Did Joseph Smith believe that he had the actual Abraham autographs? That is possible, but I am not just going to take your word for it—even though it may appear obvious to you. If you want to convince me, you will have to do that yourself. And I will question your evidence when I am not convinced, even though to you it may appear convincing.

I don't want you to take my word for it. I want you to objectively look at the evidence (eyewitness testimonies) and consider what they are saying. Hard evidence has been presented -- newspaper reporting that was not contested by the early Latter Day Saint church. It was reasonable reporting and generally accepted by members and nonmembers alike.

You've closed your mind and your heart is hard. You refuse to discuss the Explanations of the Facsimiles -- I assume it's because you're relatively ignorant on the subject. I get that. I also get that you have no plans to study the KEP and important documents that demonstrate and show how just how the Book of Abraham was translated and produced. That's your loss not mine.

If you expect to debate on this board you need to get an education. Otherwise all you can do is bear your testimony, and frankly, that's boring. If I want to read testimonies, I can search the web and read the ones I gave long before you arrived on this board.

[_zerinus]

Did Joseph Smith believe that he had the actual Abraham autographs? That is possible, but I am not just going to take your word for it—even though it may appear obvious to you. If you want to convince me, you will have to do that yourself. And I will question your evidence when I am not convinced, even though to you it may appear convincing.

I don't want you to take my word for it. I want you to objectively look at the evidence (eyewitness testimonies) and consider what they are saying. Hard evidence has been presented -- newspaper reporting that was not contested by the early Latter Day Saint church. It was reasonable reporting and generally accepted by members and nonmembers alike.

You've closed your mind and your heart is hard. You refuse to discuss the Explanations of the Facsimiles -- I assume it's because you're relatively ignorant on the subject. I get that. I also get that you have no plans to study the KEP and important documents that demonstrate and show how just how the Book of Abraham was translated and produced. That's your loss not mine.

If you expect to debate on this board you need to get an education. Otherwise all you can do is bear your testimony, and frankly, that's boring. If I want to read testimonies, I can search the web and read the ones I gave long before you arrived on this board.

Wasting time; not interested.

[_Shulem]

And after you have convinced me that Joseph Smith believed he had the original autographs

Zerinus, you said earlier:

"It is possible (certain) that Joseph Smith knew by the power of the Holy Ghost that the papyrus contained the writings of Abraham. Is it possible that he thereby also drew the inference (rightly or wrongly) that they were the original autographs? That is also possible."

"Fair enough, I am willing to concede that Joseph Smith may have identified the mummies to be of Egyptian royalty"

May I enquire which way you lean towards based on the eyewitness evidences that have been presented so far?

[_Shulem]

Wasting time; not interested.

Or is it that you're just wasting my time and the time of board members by coming here and ignorantly bearing your testimony? You lack an education and are hardly worthy to even begin to debate about the autograph and mummies. You're just here to kick the beehive and have fun, right? But, in all this, I've injected you with a poison shot and you're going to eventually lose your testimony. Your shelf is going to break. Not only have you been brainwashed by the cult, you're really ignorant and your ability to reason and digest data is somewhat retarded.

[_zerinus]

May I enquire which way you lean towards based on the eyewitness evidences that have been presented so far?

The evidence presented to-date is not sufficient to convince me either way; and in any case, neither way would have a bearing on the truth claims of the Book of Abraham.

[_Shulem]

That is a description of your kind of Holy Ghost maybe, not mine.

Are you lying to me?

LDS.org says otherwise. The General Authorities teach otherwise. I hereby detect you as a false spirit in Mormonism. You, zerinus, are a wolf in sheep's clothing. I'd love to see you soon excommunicated. Do let us know so we can throw a party and celebrate your dismissal from the church, you lying wolf.

[_zerinus]

Are you lying to me?

LDS.org says otherwise. The General Authorities teach otherwise. I hereby detect you as a false spirit in Mormonism. You, zerinus, are a wolf in sheep's clothing. I'd love to see you soon excommunicated. Do let us know so we can throw a party and celebrate your dismissal from the church, you lying wolf.

Talking nonsense now, not interested.

[_Shulem]

May I enquire which way you lean towards based on the eyewitness evidences that have been presented so far?

The evidence presented to-date is not sufficient to convince me either way; and in any case, neither way would have a bearing on the truth claims of the Book of Abraham.

Can't you read? I didn't ask you about which way you were convinced. I asked you which way do you tend to lead based on the evidence. Are you telling me you're smack in the middle? How can that be? The evidence is all one sided and very strong in one direction.

Isn't it rather that you're just a wolf in sheep's clothing -- a liar and a tease? I think so.

[_zerinus]

Can't you read? I didn't ask you about which way you were convinced. I asked you which way do you tend to lead based on the evidence. Are you telling me you're smack in the middle? How can that be? The evidence is all one sided and very strong in one direction.

Isn't it rather that you're just a wolf in sheep's clothing -- a liar and a tease? I think so.

I just don’t have enough information to make a decision. I am not a student of KEP, and I don’t feel the need to be. I just had a look at the information on Fair Mormon site:

https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Book ... ian_Papers

and I noticed too many uncertainties to make a decision, and I am not really interested either.

[_Shulem]

***TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN***

A copy of Joseph Smith's (damaged) Hypocephalus of Sheshonq, from the Kirtland Egyptian Papers, an ORIGINAL AUTOGRAPH written by the hand of Abraham



Note that Fig. 7 was damaged and Joseph Smith in his ignorance drew a fictitious substitute which slams the Egyptian gods. The Mormons do have a habit of slamming the Egyptian gods and perverting sacred images with lying graffiti.

Here is a correct Hypocephallus rendition of Min and Nehebu-Kau, each having an erect phallus. How is it that Joseph Smith who was so focused on his own penis and the ladies (including 14 year old girls) failed to restore Fig. 7 properly? He castrated one of the gods in Facsimile No. 2!