MG & JLHPROF: From Whence Come Spiritual Experiences?

[_The Soap Maker]

I've asked Soap Maker the same question I'll ask you. How would that happen? That is, getting that "perfect knowledge". Be specific please.

I'm wondering if you might be asking for something that isn't possible. Especially if we are somehow required and/or it is necessary that we live by faith.

Regards,
MG

You didn't ask me anything - you sarcastically responded with "good luck, man" after I responded to YOUR hypothetical questions. Also, I'm pretty sure I didn't mention, or even imply, anything about "perfect knowledge" at all in my original post.

You also mentioned living by faith. What does that even mean? Faith in what? As I pointed out in another post, without getting the information directly from the source, you are simply putting your faith in other human beings, not god.

[_mentalgymnast]

If God could speak simultaneously or at least get his message out to hundreds of billions of spirits to the point of them being fully informed of their decision to follow Him or not, then it's not unreasonable to expect the same.

We don't know if we can do a direct comparison. Also, in the premortal realm I think it would be reasonable to entertain the thought that we didn't live by faith. Here on earth it is an obvious fact that we do. That alone is going to change the dynamics/possibility of God getting his message across to each person on the planet 'face-to-face'.

I think you folks that are expecting God to meet you face-to-face are literally facing an up hill battle to try and arrange that meeting. If I'm hearing you correctly, you are saying that He should/ought to visit with everyone individually so that there can be no mistake as to His revealing Himself correctly...and without error or misrepresentation...so that everyone on the planet can know who He is and what He expects. Do I have that right?

My earlier post succinctly demonstrates why you would be expecting the impossible.

Knowing that what you are asking is indeed impossible, I think we need to look at other alternatives. A prophet for example? Wise sages teaching truth and morality?

I think God is under the constraint of having to get His word out there into 'the wild' through other means rather than doing a face-to-face with everyone on the planet.

Regards,
MG

[_mentalgymnast]

Earlier post:

I hear where you're coming from. That would be cool to have a face-to-face. All I can really say to that...is good luck, man. I really don't think God is going to do a 'face to face' with every person on the planet. If you're actually waiting for that to happen...see ya' later.

And if He does it for you, He better dang well do it for me and the other seven and a half billion people. Oh wait, one just died in Sarajevo and He didn't get to them on time. Oops!

Aarrgh... another one bit the dust in Fuyang, China...and God was up in Siberia doing a face-to-face with Uygun the Yakut. C'mon, God, get a movin' so you can get to The Soap Maker!

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

MG,

Is your god all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-present?

If not, can you provide me some left and right limits regarding the three listed attributes so I can give this a good faith effort?

- Doc

[_mentalgymnast]

Are you really questioning whether the God you believe in could give a message to everyone? I thought the Holy Ghost could already speak to everyone.

Yes, I am questioning that. We're talking about God doing a face-to-face with everyone on the planet...at the right time, so that they can then live their lives in accordance to that personal visit. I'm saying that logistically this can't happen. So God has other means to accomplish His purposes.

And again, this is all based on the assumption that for reasons that have been discussed elsewhere, and by many folks throughout the ages, we are required to live by faith.

Regards,
MG

[_mentalgymnast]

MG/JHHPROF/Zeranius your Mormon God is impotent, less powerful than the internet, television and other systems of mass communication.

I don't think that is a reasonable assumption.

Do you think that there is ANYTHING that God would be unable to do? Are there ANY constraints that you can think of in which God is also bound to work with and/or work around?

Regards,
MG

[_mentalgymnast]

MG/JHHPROF/Zeranius your Mormon God is impotent, less powerful than the internet, television and other systems of mass communication.

Their Mormon god is certainly handicapped and challenged when it comes to communication. When it comes to communication, Internet 1, Mormon god 0. Boo-yah!

How would you suggest Soap Maker gets his wish along with the seven and a half billion other people on the planet? Oops...oh, wait...another one just bit the dust down under in Australia. Way out in the bush country. Dang.

Not fair.

Regards,
MG

[_mentalgymnast]

Soap Face? lol.

Oh my, I am so sorry. I had no intent make that error. And that's the truth!

I was in and out yesterday and doing some quick postings in between other things.

You'll have to excuse me...I have those kinds of moments nowadays.

It does present a rather interesting visual though, doesn't it? Soap bubbles and all...

Thanks,
MG

[_mentalgymnast]

ll I did was answer your hypothetical questions and your response was the no-duh response of "good luck, man".

I think you've presented a dilemma for God...and for yourself. I haven't seen anyone, as of yet, come up with a reasonable solution. If it is impossible for God to do a face-to-face with you, and yet that is your expectation and/or requirement of Him, I think you are going to find yourself...if you haven't already...in a really tough position.

Of course, it is scripturally sound to expect that we can have a face-to-face with God under certain conditions. But if I'm not mistaken you're expecting that this should be the case for everyone on the planet, including you, in order for there to be a sense of 'fair play'.

Do I have that wrong?

Regards,
MG

[_mentalgymnast]

If god exists, it isn't talking to anybody.

Making a matter of fact statement such as this is silly. You don't know this for a fact. It's only your guess based upon your own set of reasonings/assumptions.

Regards,
MG