Apologists Harassing Critics

[_Res Ipsa]

I'm sorry, Lemmie, but I don't see a meaningful distinction. A general comment about a person is a general comment about a person. Nothing about MG's comment impacts Gridael's real life in any way. That Grindael chose to share his historical research here doesn't give him any special protection.

I think you're stretching the meaning of the rule well beyond what it was intended to cover. If I send Grindael's publisher a bunch of his more intemperate posts from here in order to try and get the publisher to drop publication, that's using the board to interfere in his real life. If I post his more intemperate posts in another online forum along with his real life name and contact information in order to encourage them to harass him, that's using the board to interfere in his real life. Calling him a name on this board is not interfering in his real life.

[_Jersey Girl]

RI if you want to put it in cycle of abuse terms, that confidence seeking is the honeymoon phase.

[_mentalgymnast]

On the other hand, it seems to me like he does a ton of over explaining himself. I recognize that because I do it too. Look at any of my threads explaining why I said something. Is it a sign of over-inflated self importance or a sign of insecurity? I'm pretty sure I know which it is in myself. Not sure about him.

It's more or less because I think I'm being either misinterpreted at times, so I try to straighten things out. At other times I believe that I have been intentionally taken out of context...so that a false narrative ensues, or a strawman has been created. So I make/made it known.

It would be wonderful to NOT to continually either repeat myself and/or try to clarify what has either been intentionally misinterpreted. Granted, there are times when I have not been as clear/precise as I could have been. But I think even the best and most articulate of us may run into that problem at times.

Regards,
MG

[_Res Ipsa]

Have you a link?

It would have been during the time period that I had the poster in question on ignore. I'm thinking it was within the last six months. During that time when I participated on threads, he would either be there and/or drop into the thread and make comments...but I didn't know what they were. That obviously impacts the thread when you don't know what is being said essentially behind your back. For a period of time I didn't UN ignore his posts because, well, that's the reason I'd put him on ignore. After a while I did look at a post of his now and then but it was sort of difficult to create any context because I wasn't looking at all of them.

I don't know whether or not there is any kind of 'cyber paper trail' that is left that shows the exact date I went to ignore to date I went off of ignore. But I do know that during this time I felt somewhat handicapped not knowing what was being said by a poster that I believed was probably saying stuff that was potentially antagonistic towards me. I was wearying of his fill in the blank bad mouthing and outright swearing, etc. when he could get away with it.

Back to a point that you referenced earlier. Let me be clear...there are times when I could have been the one to drop the back and forth crap that was going on...and I didn't. Instead of extinguishing the situation by taking the high road and bailing out...I would feed into the continued escalation that was promoted and seemingly encouraged. There was actually a period of time when crap was being thrown around that I would post the following:

Your response does not lend itself to a productive/civil conversation and/or discussion. It does lead us down a road that ultimately leads to a cul-de-sac/dead end where we find ourselves going round and round wasting each other's time. Rather than leading us in an unproductive/uncivil direction, you might want to add substantively to the discussion?

Those words of mine ended up being used...cut and pasted... by at least one other poster to throw back to me after I'd posted it. As if it was their quote. With a copyright notice no less. Weird. And without attribution that the words were actually mine. It later developed into a situation where my quotes were being altered and changed and then quoted as if they were my words. And the so called quotes were done in a mocking manner.

Crazy stuff, to say the least.

Finally I had had enough and did what I did last Wednesday. I knew that putting this poster on ignore really wouldn't work so I decided to put an actual wall between that person and me that I would not climb or cross. And it was after I'd made clear that this was what I was doing...that he left.

Regards
MG

I don't care that much about when it was. In my partial reading, I haven't found an example that looks like him following you around and posting in response to you until his very recent declaration of war. I'm curious in seeing an example of him doing the same thing you are accused of doing.

I've seen the tactic of responding to posts with a boilerplate response. It seems to me to be very passive aggressive as opposed to taking the high road. Why not just take the high road and not responding. Not responding is almost always taking the high road.

Or let's take a more recent example. In the Guns, Germs and Steel Thread, Doc referred to you by an unflattering term. That's against Terrestial rules and i'm guessing you reported it. But you also responded. Why? The people on this board are pretty sharp. They recognize a cheap shot when they see one. So why pay attention to Doc's post by telling him you're not paying attention to posts in which he calls you names? How does that make sense?

[_Res Ipsa]

RI if you want to put it in cycle of abuse terms, that confidence seeking is the honeymoon phase.

Sorry, not terminology I'm familiar with. I get the confidence seeking part. I'm just not seeing any confidence giving behavior by folks here. At least not during the last year. Is the idea that he's giving himself the confidence?

[_mentalgymnast]

grindael said ""you are an asshole" to an anonmymous poster.

mentalgymnast's said "you are a loser" specifically regarding grindael's in real life professional work, with the intent to mock and harass.

Back to the link that has been posted upthread:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44421&start=84

I was called Mental Asshole also Dickwad.

Regards,
MG

[_Jersey Girl]

G,G&S thread.

Hey Doc, I'm giving your posts much less attention if they contain invective language. And will continue to do so.

Stop saying it and just DO it.

People name call and make inflammatory remarks all the time around here. I was called the c-word about a month or so ago and I didn't announce what I was going to do about it.

I just did it. I'm still doing it. I'll never stop doing it.

[_Jersey Girl]

RI if you want to put it in cycle of abuse terms, that confidence seeking is the honeymoon phase.

Sorry, not terminology I'm familiar with. I get the confidence seeking part. I'm just not seeing any confidence giving behavior by folks here. At least not during the last year. Is the idea that he's giving himself the confidence?

Well maybe he's not actually earning their confidence. Maybe it's more of a matter of buying more time.

He's almost run out of road here. He's down to one wrong move now.

[_mentalgymnast]

I'll just do it anyway. Bear with me.

1. What does he get out of trolling?

He gets to disrupt the thread.

I'd have to cut the list off right here at square one.

In your view...trolling.

In my view, entering a thread to disagree and/or throw up an alternate view or way of looking at things.

At that point, quite frequently, other folks who may not like that point of view presented/entertained will chime in to find ways to either squelch it or change the narrative and/or create a strawman. And at times, even make stuff up.

The escalation continues as I respond... and others continue to fan the flames...and the thread blows up.

This is typical. But as I've said, there have been times when I could have extinguished a flammable situation by 'holding my peace' and not responding to the voices that were looking to squelch alternate points of view from someone that takes the middle ground and looks for alternate ways of viewing the data/information.

Regards,
MG

[_Kishkumen]

OK. Well, thanks to everyone who helped me see matters more clearly. I guess I will just continue to ignore MG as I have in the past. I can't bring myself to spend my time on him, and I don't see any reason to change. I see his posts, and my eyes glaze over. Boring, inane, pointless. Not my bag.

I hope others who feel similarly will do likewise.