DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism

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Re: DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism

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Lemmie wrote:There may be a downside for him, though. Although he doesn't think blogging is publishing and therefore doesn't see the problem with appropriating other's words without attribution, the Patheos terms of service state otherwise:

By posting, submitting or otherwise exchanging Member Content on or through the Site, you acknowledge, agree and understand that ... (iii) you explicitly represent and warrant that you are the sole owner of such Member Content or have all rights and licenses necessary regarding such Member Content....

https://web.archive.org/web/20171014043 ... e.aspx?p=2

Good catch, Lemmie. Hopefully DCP appreciates the good advice, valuable assistance, and support you are providing to him. He could certainly use the help.
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Lemmie wrote:There may be a downside for him, though. Although he doesn't think blogging is publishing and therefore doesn't see the problem with appropriating other's words without attribution, the Patheos terms of service state otherwise:

By posting, submitting or otherwise exchanging Member Content on or through the Site, you acknowledge, agree and understand that ... (iii) you explicitly represent and warrant that you are the sole owner of such Member Content or have all rights and licenses necessary regarding such Member Content....

https://web.archive.org/web/20171014043 ... e.aspx?p=2

DrW wrote: Good catch, Lemmie. Hopefully DCP appreciates the good advice, valuable assistance, and support you are providing to him. He could certainly use the help.

:lol: I don't think he sees it that way! But thank you.
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They’re armed with online programs that will enable them to detect verbal resemb4lances and influences of which I, their target, may be quite unaware.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterso ... YOoxwfv.99


Lol. He gives himself FAR too much credit. I don't know about all the other people who've reported his plagiarism, but I've never used anything more than Google Search and the odd lunch break. It's a lot easier to pick up on his plagiarizing than he realizes.

And it's not "verbal resemblances," it's intellectual property belonging to other people that he misrepresents as his own work. He's a target of his own making.
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As long as he is doing a mea culpa, what about the July 21, 2017 DS News article on the buddhist landmark in HI? It looks like Tom above found almost the same wording in wikipedia as in the article. Is he letting Hamblin do the mea culpa on this one?
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Lemmie wrote:
DrW wrote: Good catch, Lemmie. Hopefully DCP appreciates the good advice, valuable assistance, and support you are providing to him. He could certainly use the help.

:lol: I don't think he sees it that way! <snip>.

Or - perhaps he does after all.

From his SeN Mea Culpa blog post referring to his critics here on MDB, DCP offers the following.
DCP wrote: ---they provide an unintended service and a reminder.

On his supposedly faith promoting website, he attempts to excuse his bad behavior by claiming that he is writing as a generalist, and should therefore not be held to the standards of authorship that apply to academics. Such a claim is nothing of not disingenuous, especially given the fact that he is an academic, not to mention a Mormon apologist. In any case, plagiarism should never be acceptable.

That being said, DCP does appear to recognize the great effort expended here at MDB on his behalf.
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You gotta love his martyr imagery and vaguebooking style of posting. Good thing the peanut gallery from his Sunday school class thinks he's being bullied. Unfortunately for him, the entirety of his career is virtually searchable and his shameful and brazen use of plagiarism is coming to light as the reality of his intellectual shoplifting grows.

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Lemmie wrote:
They’re armed with online programs that will enable them to detect verbal resemb4lances and influences of which I, their target, may be quite unaware.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterso ... YOoxwfv.99


Lol. He gives himself FAR too much credit. I don't know about all the other people who've reported his plagiarism, but I've never used anything more than Google Search and the odd lunch break. It's a lot easier to pick up on his plagiarizing than he realizes.

And it's not "verbal resemblances," it's intellectual property belonging to other people that he misrepresents as his own work. He's a target of his own making.

How can he be unaware that he's selecting and copy/pasting Wikipedia content, then rearranging some of the wording?

That seems like a pretty obvious, intentional and self-generated 'influence'.
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Dupe Cut Pasterson is a paid apologist hack but he is obviously not paid enough to think for himself or write an original thought.
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Lemmie wrote:Lol. He gives himself FAR too much credit. I don't know about all the other people who've reported his plagiarism, but I've never used anything more than Google Search and the odd lunch break. It's a lot easier to pick up on his plagiarizing than he realizes.


I think that bit comes from DocCam's most recent post on the subject:

DocCam wrote:I just wish I had access to that site academics use to check for plagiarism. I'd be nailing his ass to the wall regarding his academic publishing. I have no doubt he's published plagiarized material on a professional level.


Hey may have then extrapolated that others (who are in academia) may have been using said tools. That's my guess anyways.

canpakes wrote:How can he be unaware that he's selecting and copy/pasting Wikipedia content, then rearranging some of the wording? That seems like a pretty obvious, intentional and self-generated 'influence'.

IDK, the way he describes pulling what he posts makes some sense to me. I have tons of documents/notes/pdfs/compilations of writings and studies, particularly related to my work. Some of these notes go back many years and I don't always keep up with sources, as these are primarily notes and thoughts for myself. If I had to file a minimum of 400 words every time I posted I might be tempted to just copy and paste.

Again, I'm not excusing the behavior, I think you should always attribute everything that isn't your own writing. Maybe it is because I don't know DCP as well as others here, but I typically run with a modified Hanlon's Razor in these kinds of situations:

Rational Wiki wrote:
  • Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice.
  • Never assume stupidity when ignorance will suffice.
  • Never assume ignorance when forgivable error will suffice.
  • Never assume error when information you hadn't adequately accounted for will suffice
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