Enjoy the trolls, folks

[_Kishkumen]

As someone who has defended you in the past, may I say this just pisses me off. You haven't been expelled by anyone, so to complain that this place is an "echo chamber" while you continue to post--far too often trolling and derailing--is absurd. You need to take some responsibility for your behavior and try to correct it, unless of course your aim is to troll and derail. But don't complain of an "echo chamber" when valuable posters have fled due to your bad behavior. Note that no pro-LDS posters have left because of your antics, so if anything, you have contributed to leveling the playing field by driving off those who disagree with you.

Not to mention the fact that other posters on this board include:

Don Bradley
Yahoo Bot
Stem
moinmoin
the narrator
Johannes
MsJack

and many other people who disagree and argue about any number of topics. To claim that this place is merely an echo chamber is just a rhetorical ploy.

[_mentalgymnast]

You took the concept of priming and completely bastardized it in a way that allowed you to escape responsibility for your own actions.

I believe the concept of "priming" fit right into what I was observing over a period of time. Take it how you want...but that's the way I used it. I've already admitted the part I played in fanning the flames with the poster in question.

I again, to repeat, provided the solution. It was apparently rejected.

Regards,
MG

[_Mittens]

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[_mentalgymnast]

To claim that this place is merely an echo chamber is just a rhetorical ploy.

One or two of the folks in the list participate periodically, but not regularly. The rest of them, rarely. Most of the time it's the 'regulars' that are bouncing stuff around.

I do observe the echo chamber effect often. What would one expect when there are more folks of 'like mind' than those with opposing and/or conflicting points of view?

Regards,
MG

[_Jersey Girl]

Right here, folks. It's right here in all it's glory. Read it. I'll in fact bold and enlarge it so you can't miss it.

...it's not that you didn't do enough to squelch the fire: you often started it and almost always fanned the flames. If you can't see that and admit it, you're screwed here...

I can see that. I played my part in some of the conflagrations. It's what folks do sometimes in the 'heat of the moment'. I admitted my tendency to at times feed the flames. I also made it clear that I did not want to see it continue and offered up a solution that would have put out the flames.

Enough said. As far as I'm concerned anyway.

And now people want to keep the flames going by adding more fuel.

What's up with that?

Regards,
MG

The poster is asking "What's up with that?" on a thread where a THIRD poster has left on account of what's taken place on the board.

The same person who is still carrying a provocative sig line commemorating his trolling is asking "What's up with that?"

And there you have it.

[_mentalgymnast]

...a THIRD poster has left on account of what's taken place on the board...

And he did so under his own volition. I did nothing 'troll like' in the thread where Mak somehow took offense and then decided to leave.

Again, I had already provided the solution to the pre-existing problem.

Others would like to fan the flames and see the fire burn unabated.

Are you one of those folks?

The propaganda continues...and the meme is in place.

Again...I provided a solution to the conflagration that resulted in a poster going 'nuclear' last month. I did not want to play any part in seeing that continue.

Why do you want to continue to feed the flames at this point?

Regards,
MG

[_Lemmie]

As someone who has defended you in the past, may I say this just pisses me off. You haven't been expelled by anyone, so to complain that this place is an "echo chamber" while you continue to post--far too often trolling and derailing--is absurd. You need to take some responsibility for your behavior and try to correct it, unless of course your aim is to troll and derail. But don't complain of an "echo chamber" when valuable posters have fled due to your bad behavior. Note that no pro-LDS posters have left because of your antics, so if anything, you have contributed to leveling the playing field by driving off those who disagree with you.

Not to mention the fact that other posters on this board include:

Don Bradley
Yahoo Bot
Stem
moinmoin
the narrator
Johannes
MsJack

and many other people who disagree and argue about any number of topics. To claim that this place is merely an echo chamber is just a rhetorical ploy.

Seriously. Nobody EVER always agrees with ANYbody! How facile to suggest otherwise. And of course, who would want it any other way? One of the most fascinating things about this board is finding yourself in disagreement with someone whose opinion and intellect you truly value. I find the whole exercise to be extremely invigorating as you intellectually work through your opinions and positions with that other person, frequently a truly respected colleague and occasionally, also a rather intriguing adversary.

[_Res Ipsa]

Yeah, he's his own worst enemy. And he made me lose a bet with myself. I bet myself he'd be on the queue within a week of Shades' decision based on what I perceived as a lack of self-awareness and an unwillingness to take responsibility for his own actions. His post here makes me think I should have just gone for a longer period of time. Maybe I convince myself to go double or nothing on a month...

Are you missing the fact that grindael departed prior to the decision? The main target of MG's trolling had already left. It wasn't likely that he'd misbehave and be put on the queue.

No, I'm not missing that fact. Upthread, you argued that MG's posting was worse than FAQ's based on total numbers of posts. So, which is it? Does he only derail Grindael or are all of his posts derails? My point is pretty simple: if he lacks as much self awareness as he seems to, he isn't going to be able to stay out of the queue. Unless his derails and trolls were restricted to Grindael, he's going to screw up. The fact that you may read the tea leaves differently doesn't mean I'm missing anything.

I'm defending him at this point simply because he hasn't violated Shades' condition for staying out of the queue.

I, at least, haven't said that he violated Shades' conditional ruling. I actually haven't read a post by even one poster on this thread who stated that was the case.

I didn't say I was defending MG against claims that he had violated Shades' ruling. I was explaining my reason for defending him. Those are two different things. And what I said had literally nothing to do with anything you've said.

I don't care whether he makes it easy or hard to defend him -- I'm doing it because I think it's the right thing to do. I thought everyone had at least grudgingly accepted Shades' decision. Mak's signature line said he had MG on ignore. MG posted a non-trolling, non-derailing post in a thread Mak started. Mak posted as if he didn't even read the post. So what, exactly, has happened that merits Shades changing his decision?

Who here (besides sock) has asked Shades to change his decision? Stick to the facts of the case and not what you imagine them to be.

Well, I think it's fair to say that Mak wants Shades to change his decision. Otherwise, why the dramatic exit? And sock suggested it. And how many more do I need to ask a rhetorical question? Can you tell me the number so that I can be sure to meet your requirements next time?

What you are missing is the obvious reason why Mak left. Instead of acknowledging WHY Mak threw up his hands and departed the scene, you are challenging assertions that no one has made.

Dammit Jersey, I get so tired of this nonsense. You are the one challenging assertions that I haven't made. I've let crap go upthread to try and avoid turning this thread into a meta pie fight, but you just won't stop.

So I will. Think and post what you will. I need a break from you.

[_Jersey Girl]

What you are missing is the obvious reason why Mak left. Instead of acknowledging WHY Mak threw up his hands and departed the scene, you are challenging assertions that no one has made.

Dammit Jersey, I get so tired of this nonsense. You are the one challenging assertions that I haven't made. I've let crap go upthread to try and avoid turning this thread into a meta pie fight, but you just won't stop.

So I will. Think and post what you will. I need a break from you.

You still aren't acknowledging why Mak threw up his hands and departed the scene. That you refuse to deal with it isn't a failure on my part nor has it got anything to do with a meta pie fight.

You simply refuse.

[_Jersey Girl]

So, which is it? Does he only derail Grindael or are all of his posts derails?

If you had been monitoring it like I and others had been prior to grindael's leaving, you wouldn't be asking me that question.

He derailed grindael's threads. Your research should prove that to be the case.

My point is pretty simple: if he lacks as much self awareness as he seems to, he isn't going to be able to stay out of the queue.

That would be true except for one thing. You identify it in your next remark.

Unless his derails and trolls were restricted to Grindael, he's going to screw up.

His derails and trolls were restricted to threads that grindael started or heavily participated on. grindael was his on-going target. A fact that has been stated here and elsewhere repeatedly which you choose to ignore.

His target is gone. He is therefore unlikely to screw up as he did when following grindael around like a "blue ass fly" (nod to Agostini). Furthermore, Shades ruling made MG into a type of Teflon Don in the eyes of the community.

IHAQ expressed that very thing in his recent previous post on this very thread when he wrote,

"You have already created an elite, and he is a troll."

The fact that you may read the tea leaves differently doesn't mean I'm missing anything.

This isn't a matter of reading tea leaves differently. It's a matter of reading exactly what the now departed have stated. IHAQ even returned on this thread to express his position.

Have you read them?

I'm not giving you a break so feel free to take one. I'm not after a change in the ruling. I want the voices of the departed to be heard. If I have to act as a kind of conduit to do so, I will.

Because you are clearly missing the point.