The WLC/SC "Something From Nothing" Cosmology Thread

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Before providing any more detail (including the implications of the fact that a photon is a gauge boson, as well as the difference between phase velocity Vp, group velocity Vg, and the propagation velocity of the wave front), it seems only fair that you give us the answer to this same question - your question - by using equations or a physical explanation based on your special knowledge.

I was going to ignore this but I am waiting for it to warm up a bit before I will go outside to get some work done. I will explain what is going on in simple terms so hopefully Fence Sitter can see how this effect happens.

Let us start with a photon which is a mushy ball of magnetic and electrostatic radiation. We have all seen a magnetic field bend around when brought close to some metals or another magnet. Two or more fields interact with each other and pressure mediation results. Thus the view of a mushy photon. Now because a photon has a magnetic component it creates space as a result of that magnetic field. So a photon can never move outside of space because it makes it own as it travels. This is why a photon has a limited speed. It is limited to the rate of induction because it has space and space has electrical characteristics which slows down a magnetic field.

Now let us view a photon traveling through a vacuum and it enters a glass wall. Part of the mushy photon touches the wall first. Because the photon creates space it has some amount of dimensionality. The part that touches first will slow down because the rate of induction of the magnetic field in glass is slower. This is due to the electrical characteristics of the glass. This slowing down of just one part of the mushy photon pulls the photon at an angle. You can think of it as a torque. Then the whole photon enters the glass and goes in a straight line. The speed of the photon is slower than the speed of light. Now when the mushy photon gets to the other side of the glass the opposite happens. One part of the mushy ball leaves first. The rate of induction is different (back to the vacuum) so the speed returns to the speed of light. Now some of the photon is still in the glass so it bends again until all of the photon is out of the glass. The bending returns the photon to the original angle that the light had before going into the glass. Once the whole photon is out its speed returns to the speed of light in a vacuum.

It is all rather simple. I can easily teach this to small children. No need for magic unicorn particles with magic properties. No need for complex math or bending of space time. Again all of that is just puffed up jerks trying to appear smarter than others. It is pride that allows the lie of orthodox science to continue.

edit Made some errors calling photons protons, oops

[_Philo Sofee]

I typed in the question of "How does a photon travel through glass, and got lots of hits. Here is one that is perhaps more complete than you gave Franktalk, because it properly includes the Quantum aspects.

https://physics.stackexchange.com/quest ... ough-glass

From a mere amateur point of view, I think you are greatly oversimplifying things .... denigrating physics is not the way to go about things, anymore than denigrating science...

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Just locking this in just in case a ninja edit happens...

Before providing any more detail (including the implications of the fact that a photon is a gauge boson, as well as the difference between phase velocity Vp, group velocity Vg, and the propagation velocity of the wave front), it seems only fair that you give us the answer to this same question - your question - by using equations or a physical explanation based on your special knowledge.

I was going to ignore this but I am waiting for it to warm up a bit before I will go outside to get some work done. I will explain what is going on in simple terms so hopefully Fence Sitter can see how this effect happens.

Let us start with a photon which is a mushy ball of magnetic and electrostatic radiation. We have all seen a magnetic field bend around when brought close to some metals or another magnet. Two or more fields interact with each other and pressure mediation results. Thus the view of a mushy photon. Now because a photon has a magnetic component it creates space as a result of that magnetic field. So a photon can never move outside of space because it makes it own as it travels. This is why a photon has a limited speed. It is limited to the rate of induction because it has space and space has electrical characteristics which slows down a magnetic field.

Now let us view a photon traveling through a vacuum and it enters a glass wall. Part of the mushy photon touches the wall first. Because the proton creates space it has some amount of dimensionality. The part that touches first will slow down because the rate of induction of the magnetic field in glass is slower. This is due to the electrical characteristics of the glass. This slowing down of just one part of the mushy proton pulls the proton at an angle. You can think of it as a torque. Then the whole photon enters the glass and goes in a straight line. The speed of the proton is slower than the speed of light. Now when the mushy photon gets to the other side of the glass the opposite happens. One part of the mushy ball leaves first. The rate of induction is different (back to the vacuum) so the speed returns to the speed of light. Now some of the photon is still in the glass so it bends again until all of the photon is out of the glass. The bending returns the photon to the original angle that the light had before going into the glass. Once the whole photon is out its speed returns to the speed of light in a vacuum.

It is all rather simple. I can easily teach this to small children. No need for magic unicorn particles with magic properties. No need for complex math or bending of space time. Again all of that is just puffed up jerks trying to appear smarter than others. It is pride that allows the lie of orthodox science to continue.

[_Maksutov]

It is all rather simple. I can easily teach this to small children. No need for magic unicorn particles with magic properties. No need for complex math or bending of space time. Again all of that is just puffed up jerks trying to appear smarter than others. It is pride that allows the lie of orthodox science to continue.

There ya have it, folks. You can shut down NASA, CalTech, MIT, pretty much all of the state universities, national laboratories, research facilities on everything from DNA to galactic formation. They're "just puffed up jerks".



You can't make this stuff up. There's a lesson here: the devotees of woo alt-science are every bit as irrational and intractable as religious fanatics. Woo is often a reaction against science, just like some forms of religion are, and it's a battle over status and authority. Frank has to reject the authority of scientists to raise his own status as a knowledgeable person. He fails miserably, but his pride does not permit him to back down and his resentment keeps him coming back on these threads with the same silly shtick, compulsively.

[_Philo Sofee]

I also typed in speed of photon in glass, and the quantum effects come into play. The photon is never really traveling at less than the speed of light. This is as per experiment so far as I can grasp.
https://physics.stackexchange.com/quest ... glass-slab

I think you are wording this wrong Franktalk......I am happy to be corrected if wrong. Light, apparently, always travels at light speed....

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Causality Electromagnetic Induction and Gravitation by Oleg D. Jefimenko

Jefimenko appears to have been a legitimate scientist though somewhat on the fringe and has many papers on the subject of his book published in peer reviewed journals. Does that bother you, Franktalk? He was a real professor, making a living and publishing within the corrupt system of academia.

It should, as I will explain.

But first, I need to call BS on something. Your book recommendation to Dr. W. You haven't even read that book and I'll put money on that. Why don't you reveal your primary source? You're getting this stuff from somewhere, but it isn't from Jefimenko. You haven't even tried to read that book you recommended to Dr. W, I guarantee it.

To answer my question you must describe the process

To get to the point, it looks like Jefimenko's main idea is that electricity and magnetism don't directly influence each other. If a magnet spins around a wire, it doesn't induce current, something else induces the current. Something else is common to both. Franktalk wants to have a debate that is something akin to debating the Lorentz contraction from the ether point of view vs. relativistic point of view. To my understanding, ether is dismissed on grounds of parsimony, but is otherwise unfalsifiable. And so Franktalk wishes to get into a discussion about how waves propagate through space etc. in terms of words and concepts.

The problem for Franktalk is that Jefimenko doesn't leave anything under-determined by Maxwell's equations. To pace relativity, whether or not you accept ether, the Lorentz contraction experimentally holds. Franktalk can spend the next 120 years in his garage with his magnets and he's not going to discover anything experimentally that we don't already know about, assuming Jefimenko, his own source, is correct.

Franktalk should take a step back and look at the situation practically. If we can build precision machines and instruments like SuperColliders, then there probably isn't much left to exhaust fooling around with a couple of magnets and a spool of copper wire. If there were, then there would be unexpected side-effects when doing things like accelerating particles to near light speed and taking pictures of them that would ruin the experiments. If there are stones left unturned for electricity and magnetism, then Franktalk should thank God for mainstream science, because only at the cutting edge of high energy, high speeds, or super small distances will these discoveries happen. Franktalk simply does not have the equipment to perform these experiments even if he does have the brain power, which --

Let me illustrate what Franktalk is doing. Like Franktalk, I have some of my own garage projects going on. After this post, I'm going to check out my table saw station, where I'm attempting to transform my little Home Depot saw into a sophisticated Euro-slider. The experimental result I wish to achieve where I will call the effort a success, is to flawlessly joint 36" of 4/4 rosewood pushing the slider and without watching the blade. On one side of a brick of rosewood I ran last night, the edge is near flawless, but the other side is good, better than my jointer, but has very fine lines running perpendicular to the grain every inch or so. What made those lines? One possibility is I didn't go deep enough, and they are the deepest part of the rough cut from the bandsaw at the lumber yard. Another possibility is my sled not feeding quite straight, oscillating, and the table saw blade produced them. But are there other possibilities?

Sure. One possibility is that my little setup has uncovered a new law of physics. Something is happening that can't be accounted for by classical mechanics. In fact, the more moving parts I introduce to my slider, the more likely it is I will get to a new truth of physics.

This is precisely what Franktalk and others who look for overunity are doing in their garages with electricity and magnets. Electricity and magnets are every bit as determined under classical laws as the rules governing my table saw sled. With enough moving parts, however, my sled may produce results very difficult to describe with a differential equation. Likewise, cranks build circuitry with enough parallelism that it's difficult to measure and interpret the results (for an amateur).

While it's possible Franktalk may discover a new law of magnetism in his garage, the amount of faith put into his effort should at least be consistent, and equally recognize that I may discover a new law of mechanics in mine, while working on my sled.

[_Fence Sitter]

Frank,

How does your description of photons traveling through space and glass vary from what is generally believed?

Thanks

[_Franktalk]

I typed in the question of "How does a photon travel through glass, and got lots of hits. Here is one that is perhaps more complete than you gave Franktalk, because it properly includes the Quantum aspects.

https://physics.stackexchange.com/quest ... ough-glass

From a mere amateur point of view, I think you are greatly oversimplifying things .... denigrating physics is not the way to go about things, anymore than denigrating science...

Thank you for posting this. I suspect you feel the need to educate me. But I have gone through college and have taken my physics courses. I do understand the orthodox position. I just reject it as being the actual explanation of the natural world. I know this does not sit well with others. The response I get from classical taught people in physics is the exact response I get from classical taught religious people when I write about God and the extended reality.

I know you mean well so thanks. But I am very happy with my direction and current understanding of reality.

I will tell you that the simplest explanation of an event is normally true. So don't discount an easy understanding of what is going on.

I supplied the name of a book to DrW so he could see why I have rejected the orthodox position of science. He of course will never read it. But in the book the author shows with mathematical proofs that many of our basic equations dealing with electromagnetism and gravity have no causation. They are in reality a restatement of observation with the prime mover left out. Without the prime mover understood we are stuck and no progress will take place. In this modern world we are surrounded by what we call modern devices. It appears that we have made great progress in our understanding of electricity. It is an illusion. The basic knowledge of electricity has not progressed. It has been repackaged with all kinds of flashing lights. But where are the real advancements? Anti-gravity, teleportation, time dilation, unlimited clean energy, and others. These are all possible with a greater understanding of electrification. We spend billions on giant machines to split a tiny ether expression into subparts. It is nuts. So yes I do have an opinion on all of the waste of time and money going into dead end projects.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

It is all rather simple. I can easily teach this to small children. No need for magic unicorn particles with magic properties. No need for complex math or bending of space time. Again all of that is just puffed up jerks trying to appear smarter than others. It is pride that allows the lie of orthodox science to continue.

There ya have it, folks. You can shut down NASA, CalTech, MIT, pretty much all of the state universities, national laboratories, research facilities on everything from DNA to galactic formation. They're "just puffed up jerks".



You can't make this stuff up. There's a lesson here: the devotees of woo alt-science are every bit as irrational and intractable as religious fanatics. Woo is often a reaction against science, just like some forms of religion are, and it's a battle over status and authority. Frank has to reject the authority of scientists to raise his own status as a knowledgeable person. He fails miserably, but his pride does not permit him to back down and his resentment keeps him coming back on these threads with the same silly shtick, compulsively.

Well, when you have such devastating insights such as, "... a photon which is a mushy ball of magnetic and electrostatic radiation." I'm left wondering why we even bother funding research institutions at all.

- Doc

[_Philo Sofee]

Franktalk
But in the book the author shows with mathematical proofs that many of our basic equations dealing with electromagnetism and gravity have no causation. They are in reality a restatement of observation with the prime mover left out. Without the prime mover understood we are stuck and no progress will take place.

What is the prime mover being left out?