Politics over Religion at MD&D

[_Stem]

A broken system and an even worse president are not mutually exclusive.

SOunds good to me.

[_Uncle Ed]

The reason why DJT got elected is because the system is broken. And the political machines broke it. All those "door knobs" in over ninety percent of the counties in the US want it fixed.

Out of all of this, I have a reserved hope that new healing to our political methods will occur. Actual good people will be elected. I'll wait. I don't have any other choice.

[_SuperDell]

When you have baptized and 'sealed in eternal marriage' Adolf Hitler after telling members in Germany to support him - giving members the message to support the T-Rump is nothing new.

[_Ceeboo]

Dear Kish,

Your board contributions usually display great balance, wisdom and broad perspective. You are almost always so reasonable.

What the #### happened in this particular thread?

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_candygal]

I am going to get so much crap for this...but for whatever Trump expounds..and/or is guilty of...and I agree..there is some very, very questionable things...the bars should surround him should also be around the Clintons...oh my gosh...what a double standard we have created in the parties of politics. I cannot ..nor ever ever understand why this woman and her husband are yet free...you lock Trump in..the Clinton's go too I just cannot understand it.

Yeah, you should catch hell for it. There is a big difference between people who are equipped and experienced to do a job, and those who have no business getting within a mile of it. It is called knowledge, experience, and intelligence. Someone had it going into that contest; the other person manifestly did not. I really don't care how much you hate Bill and Hillary. I have never been a fan personally. But I think it is worse than useless to try to compare their fitness to be in one of the most complicated political roles in the entire world.

No thanks to the millions of Americans who are too stupid to understand that.

You can't understand why the Clintons are free? In what sense? You think they should be convicted of crimes and locked up?

Why? Other than the bizarro conspiracy theories and endless investigations that have gone nowhere, what actual charge do you think they should be locked up for?

Seriously.

Go ahead. Hate them. They are obnoxious. But don't come here with ____ conspiracy theories and empty accusations.

Thank you for your comments..I respect your feelings here..but I am not talking about experience or even different parties..I am talking some justice in very huge mistakes on both sides. Breaking the law is breaking the law....!

[_Kishkumen]

Anyone who thinks institutions are inherently strong because they are old is not only historically naïve but not paying attention (e.g. the attacks on the FBI, the blatant politicization of the judiciary by appointing yes-men and hacks rather than competent judges, the prone Senate Republicans eager to win the support of Trump's base, the rabid adulation he enjoys from a House caucus that knows no principle but power, etc. etc. etc.).

Indeed. Thanks for chiming in in this, consul. I blush at my own historical ignorance, because I know enough to blush in shame. Too many people have no idea how much they don't know, and yet they are confident that everything is going to be OK. Propaganda/ideology is a powerful thing. We believe our own BS. Look at how democracy was supposed to be this magical power transforming Iraq overnight into our democratic partner in the Middle East. Sigh.

It seems we never learn. The system is so much more fragile than people realize. It matters when a president does not respect the rule of law. The rule of law is one of the most important foundational principles not only of our system in particular, but of Western statecraft. It is one of the very best parts of our cultural heritage. The president who tramples on this principle is an enemy of the system. He's not just an uncouth character. He is a threat to the foundation of the system. As you say, if he were competent, he would be exponentially more dangerous.

[_Kishkumen]

Thank you for your comments..I respect your feelings here..but I am not talking about experience or even different parties..I am talking some justice in very huge mistakes on both sides. Breaking the law is breaking the law....!

So, jaywalking is breaking the law. Serial murder is breaking the law. Petty theft is breaking the law. Are these all the same in your mind? Is it really the case that degrees of lawlessness do not matter? If DJT were to have committed treason in order to win the election, is that of equal importance to you as an alleged rape? Jaywalking?

Lawbreaking is lawbreaking, eh?

Rape is horrible, but one act of rape will likely not compromise citizens' confidence in an entire system of government. Russia is attacking the West by undermining trust in its institutions, especially the vote. This is goes way beyond one horrible crime. We are talking about cyber warfare.

So, are you saying that Bill Clinton's disgusting personal sexual behavior is just as bad as Russia waging cyber warfare against the US?

[_Kishkumen]

I know you didn't start this tread, but thank you for fueling it, Reverend. I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates your time and effort.

Hey, a little entertainment at the very least, eh, Morley?

[_candygal]

Thank you for your comments..I respect your feelings here..but I am not talking about experience or even different parties..I am talking some justice in very huge mistakes on both sides. Breaking the law is breaking the law....!

So, jaywalking is breaking the law. Serial murder is breaking the law. Petty theft is breaking the law. Are these all the same in your mind? Is it really the case that degrees of lawlessness do not matter? If DJT were to have committed treason in order to win the election, is that of equal importance to you as an alleged rape? Jaywalking?

Lawbreaking is lawbreaking, eh?

Rape is horrible, but one act of rape will likely not compromise citizens' confidence in an entire system of government. Russia is attacking the West by undermining trust in its institutions, especially the vote. This is goes way beyond one horrible crime. We are talking about cyber warfare.

So, are you saying that Bill Clinton's disgusting personal sexual behavior is just as bad as Russia waging cyber warfare against the US?

I am not saying that at all..I am saying that both Hillary and Bill broke some laws,,,that justice should be served The levels of justice in said laws will differ in what the crime is..but they got away with murder.maybe rape.and a whole lot of unethical things..c'mon.you know what I mean.

[_Kishkumen]

Calling that many Americans "stupid" is ridiculous.

I like this reminder of the reaction from the over-confident Democrats: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6mq89h3ufx6yhx1/melting%20snowflakes.jpg?dl=0

Enough improvements have already happened, and are happening, that his first year in office is justifiably accounted a success. He just plows ahead. Now, if he could just keep his mouth shut things would be less annoying for many. But also not as much fun.

I did not vote for him either.

Good God.

Not at all. If you systematically undermine education and promote falsehoods and distractions, you make people stupid. And my estimation of our political leaders, not to mention our voters, is that too many of them have not the first idea of what they are about. They don't know history. They don't know our system of government. They don't know basic facts.

Remember Roy Moore's spokesman Ted Crockett, who believed that you *had* to swear on the Bible when you are inaugurated? Great! Too bad it's not true. But this is not all that surprising. Amateur hour has come to stay, it seems.

These things matter. It really does matter that Trump does not know what he is doing. He has been tripping all over his own ignorance and making stupid decisions throughout the first year of his presidency. He fumbled everything he attempted right out of the gate. The travel ban. Stumble, bumble, fumble, out of stupidity, ignorance, unforced errors, etc., etc.

It really amazes me that you are ignoring all of this, Uncle Ed. And, yes, you talk like a Trump voter.

What's Trump's big victory, Gorsuch? All the branches of government in the hands of the GOP, and Trump is still struggling to do get a major legislative victory almost a full year into his presidency.