EAllusion wrote: Luke, a back-woods farm boy, blew up the Death Star as a fighter pilot using the Force after being given a brief intro on what the Force even is. That's what Star Wars writing is like. This alone is not what typifies a Mary Sue. But sure, you repeating the positions of the most misogynist corners of the Internet is just how showing how woke you are compared to all those supporters of the patriarchy.
Manlet. You are so in the tank for your ideology you have to make everything about it. Got. Dayum someone is over compensating.
Luke's story arc took place over three movies. THREE. Rey became a Jedi, master pilot, can-do-everything in less than one film. Take that crap up with JJ Abrams and his idealization of his perfect woman.
- Doc
So, in addition to not seeing the movie you are criticizing, you also don't even vaguely remember Star Wars: A New Hope. That's a solid base to be basing movie critiques off of.
EAllusion wrote:So, in addition to not seeing the movie you are criticizing, you also don't even vaguely remember Star Wars: A New Hope. That's a solid base to be basing movie critiques off of.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: Hrm, I can't really say that because I haven't watched The Force Awakens all the way through. TFA is on my cable feed and I've tried a handful of times to watch it
Whatever, slave. Keep carrying water for your Dominatrices.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Joseph Campbell famously used Star Wars as the modern example of the hero's journey, and Luke's narrative arc in the first 1977 movie was an example of this monomyth.
As Dan Harmon summarizes the monomyth:
1. A character is in a zone of comfort, 2. But they want something. 3. They enter an unfamiliar situation, 4. Adapt to it, 5. Get what they wanted, 6. Pay a heavy price for it, 7. Then return to their familiar situation, 8. Having changed.
Inserting Luke in 'A New Hope' we might describe his story as:
1.A character is in a zone of comfort (Safe on Uncle Ben's moisture farm) 2.But they want something (Life on the moisture farm is boring and Luke wants to become a rebel fighter, like his father) 3.They enter an unfamiliar situation (destruction of Ben's farm, enter sand people and Obi Wan, meet Han Solo) 4.Adapt to it ("rescue" Leah -shoot the panel, kid!) 5.Get what they wanted (Luke is a member of Red Squadron fighting for the rebellion) 6.Pay a heavy price for it (loss of family, loss of Obi Wan, loss of Wedge his childhood friend...) 7.Then return to their familiar situation (represented by his finding a new family in the rebellion...and we find out a member of his blood family, too) 8.Having changed (a hero for the rebellion, but also having shown the ability to channel the force to take out the Death Star)
Inserting Rey in 'The Force Awakens' we might describe her story as:
1.A character is in a zone of comfort (comfort zone-ish. Scavenging on Jakku isn't great but there's a routine to it) 2.But they want something (Find her family, connection to the Jedi mythology) 3.They enter an unfamiliar situation (Empire shows up looking for a droid yet again and crap goes south) 4.Adapt to it (Rey takes to space travel like a champ, including repairing the Millennium Falcon on the fly) 5.Get what they wanted (kinda. Luke is real, the Jedi are real, maybe her family is within reach now...) 6.Pay a heavy price for it (This one isn't obvious, but TFA suggests that her choice to be part of the Rebellion means giving up on waiting for her family to return back on Jakku...otherwise it's not clear what Rey actually lost in this movie) 7.Then return to their familiar situation (Luke, the rebellion become her new family with hints that her goal of finding her family was possibly accomplished when she found Luke) 8.Having changed (She's Jedi as “F”)
'A New Hope' and 'The Force Awakens' both remained fairly Manichean in their plots. Good is good, bad is bad and acts like Nazis, and the conflict involved is between these forces of good and evil writ large. The second has the advantage of playing on peoples nostalgia for that vibe the first movie provided and amped things up to 11 while taking advantage of this. It also seems to include a hero who is amped up beyond Luke just as Po is almost impossibly good at flying an X-wing, Starkiller Base is the Death Star on steroids, and Kylo Ren can suspend blaster bolts where Vader only deflected them.
In other words, 'The Force Awakens' is over the top fan fiction in many ways, and Rey is just one of many examples of this. It has nothing to do with her being female, rather it's that she's the hero in the movie where everyone and everything was ridiculously amped up video game hero versions of what was in 'A New Hope'.
That said, 'Rogue One' is my hands down favorite Star Wars movie now because of the above. TFA played on my nostalgia, but even in that nostalgia I know the original movies are not as great as my childhood memories make me want to believe. Going back to watch the original trilogy with my daughter a few years back left me feeling disappointed, actually. Not as disappointed as when I rewatched the original 'Tron', but not far off. Rogue One did kinda trade on my nostalgia but somehow it did it by making me refeel the feels that came with seeing the originals way back when. It's grittier nature, conflicted characters, use of more modern irony in place of cheese ball humor all make it more like what I remember Star Wars being even though that memory is more illusion than reality.
It's because 'Rogue One' is a better movie for the reasons above that makes Jyn Oso a better character than Rey.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
Maksutov wrote:Altered Carbon is coming. Your brain will be required for a change.
Maybe it's mother nature's way of choking us out by the throat before opening up our guts and eating us? A kind of mercy we'll be just a bit more stupid when the bill comes due.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
I'm not sure how people were really into it. Like. Was Michael Bay consulting JJ Abrams and was like:
YOU GOTTA GO BIG, BOY-EEE. BIG PLANET DEATH STAR. SOLAR SYSTEM EXPLOSIONS!!! YOU GOTTA PUMP THOSE DEATH STATS UP! THIS ISN'T ROOKIE HOUR!
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I'm not sure how people were really into it. Like. Was Michael Bay consulting JJ Abrams and was like:
YOU GOTTA GO BIG, BOY-EEE. BIG PLANET DEATH STAR. SOLAR SYSTEM EXPLOSIONS!!! YOU GOTTA PUMP THOSE DEATH STATS UP! THIS ISN'T ROOKIE HOUR!
- Doc
Heh. Pretty much. I admit, I enjoyed it and found it fun in that action movie way with the Millennium Falcon as doubleplusplus. But it was an amusement park ride - get on, get off, buy the merch on the way out kinda movie. And I'm tasteless so I enjoy those kind of movies, too. The first 'John Wick' is the only movie I've watched twice in the last couple of years.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
