Tidal wave of sexual assault-misconduct allegations list

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All Men Over 30 - Every Industry

Accuser - Jody Foster

http://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... 0-culpabl/

You can't make this up.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

Pulling back a bit, something like 1 in 2 adult women say they were sexually assaulted or harassed in their lives. For example, take this poll of female voters:

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-de ... aseID=2502

For men, the numbers are closer to 1 in 5. There's a lot of research that tries to get at what the false positive rate is for self-reports of being a victim of sexual misconduct, and while there is a range of numbers depending on methods, the answer universally is "relatively low." In other words, if 1 in 2 women say they are being sexually harassed, then lots of women probably are being harassed. This doesn't mean you reflexively believe any individual accusation. We should have interest in fairness towards the accused. It does mean that women say they were a victim of sexual misconduct, on average that is probably true.

None of this means 1 in 2 men are doing the harassing of course. It's much more likely a smaller number of bad apples are racking up high victim totals. But even if you assume something like only 80% of female self-reports of being harassed are true, and 1 in 30 men (with some women too) are responsible for that, that implies that literally millions of men are guilty of some form of sexual misconduct. And if that is the case, then in any field you look there should be a lot of potential guilty people who could be outed. So it wouldn't be surprising if in fields where people are celebrities that there are a deep pool of celebrities who could be outed. There's probably a lot of victimizers out there.

[_Ceeboo]

All Men Over 30 - Every Industry

Accuser - Jody Foster

http://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... 0-culpabl/

You can't make this up.

- Doc

[_Chap]

Pulling back a bit, something like 1 in 2 adult women say they were sexually assaulted or harassed in their lives. For example, take this poll of female voters:

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-de ... aseID=2502

Sixty percent of American women voters say they've experienced sexual harassment, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.

Among women who say they've been harassed, 69 percent say they've experienced it at work, as 43 percent say social settings; 45 percent say on the street and 15 percent say it happened at home, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll finds.

Among American men voters, 20 percent say they've experienced sexual harassment.

Among all American voters, 64 percent know someone who has experienced sexual harassment and 30 percent know someone who has sexually harassed someone else.

There is no gender gap as 88 percent of men and 89 percent of women say sexual harassment of women is a serious problem.

A small gender gap opens as 59 percent of all American voters, 56 percent of men and 62 percent of women, say sexual harassment of men is a serious problem.

Because of recent media attention to allegations of sexual harassment, 55 percent of voters say people have a better understanding of harassment and 62 percent of voters say people are more likely to be held accountable for sexual harassment.

American voters say 60 - 28 percent that if Roy Moore is elected to the U.S. Senate from Alabama, the U.S. Senate should vote to expel him. Republicans say 49 - 33 percent that Moore should not be expelled. Every other listed party, gender, education, age and racial group says expel him.

"A vast majority of American men and women are deeply troubled by sexual harassment and the numbers underscore why. A stunning six in ten women say they have been victimized," said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

Let's see the significance of this clearly:

A bunch of people, who knew that their data would be aggregated and anonymised, were asked the question

27. Have you ever experienced sexual harassment, or not?

... plus a number of follow-ups.

These people had nothing to gain financially or in publicity terms from giving one answer rather than another. They were not accusing any individual person of harassing them. They were not about to make money, or become famous.They were just an unknown woman on the phone.

And 60% of them said, in effect, 'Yes, I have been sexually harassed.'

There is a big, real, problem there. And no, you can't make it go away by saying 'well, women tell lies, or they are gold-diggers, or or they hate men, or liberals do it too.' And as EAllusion said:

... it wouldn't be surprising if in fields where people are celebrities that there are a deep pool of celebrities who could be outed. There's probably a lot of victimizers out there.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Chap,

You're assuming people tell the truth, even when they "have nothing to gain." I'd suggest that people will lie for no reason whatsoever because someone is engaging them for a moment, and they have an opportunity to get some attention. It's a dopamine hit to get attention, and what do they care if they tell someone a small, medium, or large lie?

eta: A good example of someone lying for personal gain, attention, or just because she's a giant bag of crap:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48019

Anecdotally, I was a accompanying my wife to a medical appointment when a lady sat down across from us. For some reason unbeknownst to me, she struck up a conversation with us and then proceeded to tell us wild tales from being enlisted in the Air Force. She claimed, among other things, she was raped and has PTSD. She also claimed she had been in Beirut and was there when terrorists blew up the Marine Corps barracks. And she also claimed that she was ill from an Agent Orange dosing he received that was trapped in her her gas mask during an exercise.

She was my wife's age, by the way.

- Doc

Here's an interesting 32-page treatise on false allegation done by the Cambridge Law Journal:

http://eprints.uwe.ac.uk/6478/1/Download.pdf

TL;DR - There are lots of false rape allegations, and the reasons are complicated (if you believe attention seeking, alibis, revenge, and mental illness are complicated reasons) but they exist in larger numbers than being purported.

[_Chap]

These people had nothing to gain financially or in publicity terms from giving one answer rather than another. They were not accusing any individual person of harassing them. They were not about to make money, or become famous.They were just an unknown woman on the phone.

And 60% of them said, in effect, 'Yes, I have been sexually harassed.'

There is a big, real, problem there. And no, you can't make it go away by saying 'well, women tell lies, or they are gold-diggers, or or they hate men, or liberals do it too.' And as EAllusion said:

Chap,

You're assuming people tell the truth, even when they "have nothing to gain." I'd suggest that people will lie for no reason whatsoever because someone is engaging them for a moment, and they have an opportunity to get some attention. It's a dopamine hit to get attention, and what do they care if they tell someone a small, medium, or large lie?

So you feel comfortable asserting that the 60% of women who responded to an anonymous survey by saying they had experienced sexual harassment were probably mostly lying to get a dopamine hit?

We are into ROTFLMAO territory here.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I don't know what kind of life experiences that you've had that lead to this pollyanna view of people's nature, but yeah, I'm comfortable believing that virtually anyone bothering to answering an anonymous survey have their own motivations to not answer questions factually.

It's so odd to see supposedly grown men act like wonderstruck children when it comes to human nature. Crazy.

- Doc

eta: I'm going re-post my post from page 9 because we're talking about human nature and lying and there are couple of good links in it:

Chap,

You're assuming people tell the truth, even when they "have nothing to gain." I'd suggest that people will lie for no reason whatsoever because someone is engaging them for a moment, and they have an opportunity to get some attention. It's a dopamine hit to get attention, and what do they care if they tell someone a small, medium, or large lie?

eta: A good example of someone lying for personal gain, attention, or just because she's a giant bag of ____:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48019

Anecdotally, I was a accompanying my wife to a medical appointment when a lady sat down across from us. For some reason unbeknownst to me, she struck up a conversation with us and then proceeded to tell us wild tales from being enlisted in the Air Force. She claimed, among other things, she was raped and has PTSD. She also claimed she had been in Beirut and was there when terrorists blew up the Marine Corps barracks. And she also claimed that she was ill from an Agent Orange dosing she received that was trapped in her her gas mask during an exercise.

She was my wife's age, by the way.

- Doc

Here's an interesting 32-page treatise on false allegations done by the Cambridge Law Journal:

http://eprints.uwe.ac.uk/6478/1/Download.pdf

TL;DR - There are lots of false rape allegations, and the reasons are complicated (if you believe attention seeking, alibis, revenge, and mental illness are complicated reasons) but they exist in larger numbers than being purported.