How Do We Make Society Better?

[_canpakes]

Why do I bring this up? Because the voting population is composed of B&W thinkers, largely NOT devoted to, or even aware of, the problem with their own thinking...

The world right now is seized by "the conservatives".

Uh oh.

[_Jersey Girl]

Nothing mixes well with alcohol. So where would you legislate your location for the liquor store?

My point above was simple I thought: individualists, by any name or none at all, are allies to individual freedom and keeping gov't to a minimum of intrusion. Control freaks, a.k.a. group-thinkers, are enemies of individual liberty and pass laws legislating all manner of, well, controls of course.'

I am not sure what the point was of pointing out that religious control freaks in all parts of the world like causing mayhem for non believers / non conformists.

I don't care about your cruddy point. I was simply sharing a bit of home grown irony.

Get over yourself.

[_Gunnar]

This is how I would make society better:

1) Government mandated birth control. Everyone who isn't snipped or menopaused is on birth control, to include male birth control. <- Game changer when that comes available.

2) You need to demonstrate solvency and aptitude to have a baby. If you're a moron you get snipped. Far too many humans suffer being born to morons.

Oddly enough, I don't disagree with the above. Since we're hypothetically mandating parenthood and reproduction, I have a whole list of ideas regarding child rearing and education that I think would help to circumvent what I see as an overall societal lack of empathy which I think is a key factor to perhaps all of the ills that plague us. Let me use your ideas about aptitude to having a child as a springboard for my ideas. You might have ideas about funding that I have yet to consider. My emphasis is on the physical, intellectual, emotional and social (PIES) growth of society as a whole.

Paraphrasing, you wrote: You need to demonstrate an aptitude to have a baby.


1. Mandatory child development and parenting classes (delivered in developmental stages that continue through the early childhood years) for adults starting before baby is born. Ideally, before going off birth control.

2. One parent must sign on to stay with baby as primary caregiver from birth to age 6. (And no, I don't know where the income is going to come from. Perhaps the money from taxing religious institutions?)

3. Primary caregiver must agree to mandatory parenting classes throughout the child's early years and beyond.

4. The creation of intergenerational educational systems. Everything I'm going to list from here going forward, hinges on the creation of intergenerational systems of education.

5. Children in series of mixed age groupings starting with part-day early childhood programs that include children age 3-6 years old. (Mixed age groupings: 3&4 year olds, 5&6 year olds--in the past these were referred to as continuum classes) Senior citizens and older students become part of the programs.

Mixed age groupings foster the development of empathy.

6. Academic schooling begins on or around age 7. Continued mixed age groupings through high school. Senior citizens become part of the system working in partnership with older students.

7. Beginning in middle school, students receive education regarding birth control, reproductive rights and related topics.

8. Beginning in high school, students must take the same mandatory child development and parenting classes as the prospective parents I listed above.

9. Senior high school students complete their child development classes held in intergenerational learning nurseries used as both lab schools and child care program (children as subjects) while parents are attending their ongoing parenting classes.

Basically, it's a cycle of education that's comprised of all generations interacting with, teaching and learning from each other.

Thanks for that, Jersey Girl! Your approach to the education of Children and education in general is one of the things I most admire about you. They make such good sense that I can't see how anyone, including Ceeboo, could have any reasonable objections to it. Kudu's to you!

[_Gunnar]

Mandatory nutrition classes in all grades and mandatory fitness classes to go with them.



p.s. A school community garden in every school.

Also great ideas! How could any intelligent individual who is both rational and compassionate object to them!

[_Ceeboo]

Did someone mention Ceeboo?

Hey Gunnar!

Thanks for that, Jersey Girl! Your approach to the education of Children and education in general is one of the things I most admire about you.

I share your admiration for Jersey Girl's depth of knowledge and insight that she displays on children - the raising of children - and education in general.

They make such good sense that I can't see how anyone, including Ceeboo, could have any reasonable objections to it.

I am sorry to disappoint you but "government mandated birth control" isn't just objectionable to basic reason - it's insane.

Kudu's to you!

Kudu!



Are you calling Jersey Girl a half zebra half deer?

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Themis]

I am not sure what the point was of pointing out that religious control freaks in all parts of the world like causing mayhem for non believers / non conformists.

Because you stated conservatives were individualists yet we can show many, like many religious conservatives, are very much about controlling others.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey Me Dot!

The Atlanta Braves had a relief pitcher named John Rocker. The New York Mets and the Braves had a bit of a rivalry in 1999, and Rocker was asked if he could ever play in New York.

"I'd retire first. It's the most hectic, nerve-racking city. Imagine having to take the 7-Train to the ballpark looking like you're riding through Beirut next to some kid with purple hair, next to some queer with AIDS, right next to some dude who just got out of jail for the fourth time, right next to some 20-year-old mom with four kids. It's depressing...The biggest thing I don't like about New York are the foreigners. You can walk an entire block in Times Square and not hear anybody speaking English. Asians and Koreans and Vietnamese and Indians and Russians and Spanish people and everything up there. How the hell did they get in this country?"

Oh dear! - Did Rocker really say that?

Rocker's reaction is what every human being who rides the subway must, at some point do: either embrace or reject humanity.

Me thinks you aded way too much hot sauce in that bowl of chili - but I get the point you're trying to make.

by the way - While visiting my daughter relatively recently, I had my first experience riding the NY subway system. I thought it was freaking awesome - I loved it!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Gunnar]

[quote"CeeBoo"][/quote] Not nearly as insane as encouraging everyone to have all the children they want. If no one places any restrictions on the number of children they have, The world's population will very quickly become unsustainable, leading to mass starvation and horrible warfare over inadequate resources. How many people do you think the world can support? No matter what that number is, it will quickly be reached and exceeded if population growth rates are allowed to continue without restriction. No one really likes the idea of the government imposing mandatory birth control, and hopefully enough people will voluntarily restrict the number of children (which does seem to be happening, fortunately) so that draconian measures to curtail the number of children permitted will not be necessary.

The current population growth rate is about 1,11% (http://www.prb.org/Publications/Lesson-Plans/HumanPopulation/PopulationGrowth.aspx)and (apparently still declining) but it was high as 2.2% in 1963 https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth/. If it were to resume at the latter rate and it were possible for that rate to continue, the world would have a standing room only population of one person per square foot in less than 621 years. Obviously disastrous, mass starvation would occur long, long before that!

The UN projects that because of the declining growth rate, the population will max out at around 10 billion by the year 2100 (https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth/). Can the earth support a population that large comfortably, peacefully and without widespread starvation? I think there good reason to doubt that!

[_Ceeboo]

Not nearly as insane as encouraging everyone to have all the children they want. If no one places any restrictions on the number of children they have

[_Jersey Girl]

Ceeboo don't ignore the remainder of Gunnar's comments. He makes good sense.