Some Schmo wrote:My only complaint is that it has an unbelievably powerful lead female, and I'm not sure I like powerful women in my fantasy. I like my women soft and supple, and easily manipulated. I've finally decided to admit it on this here forum, so we can have a healthy discussion about it.
But I haven't read this thread. What's it about?
"It seems to me that these women were the head (κεφάλαιον) of the church which was at Philippi." ~ John Chrysostom, Homilies on Philippians 13
Kevin Graham wrote:On the subject of physics, I agree and said the same thing about the bombs dropping in space.
I was shocked at this. Maybe I've just watched too many cynical YouTube videos that deconstruct film flubs, but the whole idea of approaching the ship from the front and then "dropping" bombs in outer space was just too much. Uh, if you have bombs that can take down the ship, just fire them at the ship from a safe distance and from directly above.
Kevin Graham wrote:On the subject of physics, I agree and said the same thing about the bombs dropping in space.
I was shocked at this. Maybe I've just watched too many cynical YouTube videos that deconstruct film flubs, but the whole idea of approaching the ship from the front and then "dropping" bombs in outer space was just too much. Uh, if you have bombs that can take down the ship, just fire them at the ship from a safe distance and from directly above.
You guys and your worry over details. Those were big ships they were bombing. Surely they have their own gravity.
Yeah. That'll do.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
And technically speaking, it only looks like they were dropping because of the alignment of the camera. For all we know, both the ships and the camera were upside-down, and the bombs were big round homing balls of destruction.
Seriously though, we never really worried about big open bay doors leading out to space without airlocks, or people surviving deadly falls from tremendous heights, or how just about every planet in that galaxy has a habitable atmosphere, and you're worried about gravity in space fights?
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God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
Some Schmo wrote:You guys and your worry over details. Those were big ships they were bombing. Surely they have their own gravity.
Yeah. That'll do.
Since when did gravity become a thing in the Star Wars universe, anyway? Every single ship has the ability to create the effects of gravity as evidenced by the way people sit and move in them.
Given this, the bombs are being "dropped" relative to the gravity of the bombing vessel and then proceed through space with inertia/whatever magic gravity creating thing works on ships of all sizes towards the Dreadnaught.
Too easy.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Rey is slumdog millionaire Mary Sue. The movies are total and complete contrived ____. I'd say they're a bit better than the George Lucas prequels, but man they're unwatchable. Hrm, I can't really say that because I haven't watched The Force Awakens all the way through. TFA is on my cable feed and I've tried a handful of times to watch it, but... I dunno. It's just memberberries in space. TLJ will be the same for me. I'll pass.
I did think Rogue One was pretty entertaining, though!
- Doc
Kind of a fun side note—My brother, who sings professionally with the L.A.Opera Company, was asked to sing in the soundtrack chorus for both Rogue One and The Last Jedi. Pretty cool stuff! I was so jealous. (But geninely happy for him). He got to meet John Williams during the recording session, and the chorus actually sang with the full orchestra. That would have been quite a thrill. He does make some money off the CD sales, but I think the bragging rights mean more than anything since he is also a die hard Star Wars fan like I am.
So you're chasing around a fly and in your world, I'm the idiot?
"Friends don't let friends be Mormon." Sock Puppet, MDB.
Music is my drug of choice.
"And that is precisely why none of us apologize for holding it to the celestial standard it pretends that it possesses." Kerry, MDB _________________
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:That. Is. SO. Cool. I'd be pretty envious, too.
- Doc
I know, right? I would have gladly sung in the soundtrack chorus for free. Any money he makes off of it from the CD sales are just like frosting on the cake.
So you're chasing around a fly and in your world, I'm the idiot?
"Friends don't let friends be Mormon." Sock Puppet, MDB.
Music is my drug of choice.
"And that is precisely why none of us apologize for holding it to the celestial standard it pretends that it possesses." Kerry, MDB _________________
The plot element that I found most disturbing was the full consequences of the insubordination of Rose, Finn, and Poe. If they would have sharply saluted and manned their posts and followed the orders of vice-admiral Holdo, then we have every reason to believe her plan of sneaking everybody on to Crait and regrouping would have been successful--if these guys hadn't tried to be rebel heroes against the appointed leaders of the rebellion, then the Master Codebreaker would have never been on the star destroyer and been susceptible to their bribe of selling-out the rebels.
In that sense, the blood of everybody who died in the escape ships and on the battle on Holdo is on the hands of Rose, Finn, and Poe. The message is don't take risks to save the galaxy. Stick by your post and have faith your leaders know what they are doing and have a plan.
On the other hand, if vice-admiral Holdo would have taken 30 seconds to explain to her crew what her plan was, they wouldn't have engaged in their insanely dangerous and insubordinate plan in the first place.
But still. I can't get over the fact that heroes trying to be heroes is what caused some 95%+ of the rebel alliance to die in this movie. Do we expect Poe and Finn to learn their lesson from this and never take a risk or step out of line again?
It’s relatively easy to agree that only Homo sapiens can speak about things that don’t really exist, and believe six impossible things before breakfast. You could never convince a monkey to give you a banana by promising him limitless bananas after death in monkey heaven.
There's definitely a reliance on the trope of irrationality withholding information from characters to drive the plot.
The biggest problem I have with a plot point is Rose stopping Finn from sacrificing himself. From the perspective of her knowledge, she just ensured the destruction of everyone including the person she saved for a few minutes. It makes her character emotionally impulsive to the point of being an idiot.
