DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism

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Re: DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism

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fetchface wrote:My degree is in engineering but in the few English/Humanities classes that I took, it was drilled into me in those classes that if I were to have been caught engaging in the types of behaviors that DCP has conclusively been shown to have engaged in, I would have been expelled from my University.

Am I correct that DCP is a professor currently employed at BYU?

Yes.
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Tom wrote:Gary Habermas, a professor at Liberty University, has written a number of articles and books arguing for the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. One of his articles, ""The Case for Christ’s Resurrection," can be read here. I cite this article because I've found strong similarities between passages in the article and a blog post published in August 2017 by Dr. Peterson titled "Some notes toward an essay on the resurrection of Jesus." Peterson's post does not cite Habermas. Here follows a comparison between passages in Peterson's blog post and Habermas' article. [SNIP!]

Sounds to me like Peterson has some 'splainin to do, to say the least. But I also wanted to comment. I find it downright adorable the Koester quoted, and then cited himself in order to avoid any appearance of evil or plagiarism, lest some do-gooder like Tom and company uncover his plagiaristic ways.

I think it's the devil that causes someone to plagiarize. no one would do that on their own accord. it is clearly Jesus of the lovely land of Nazareth that causes someone to cite and quote him/herself.
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Stem wrote: it is clearly Jesus of the lovely land of Nazareth that causes someone to cite and quote him/herself.


Actually, it's common practice, for a variety of reasons.
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Lemmie wrote:
jesse Pinkman wrote: I realize that according to Lemmie’s “rainbow post” (as Ceeboo noted..and I have to say, I liked the color coordination. It made things easier to read. ), she felt that some of Dan’s corrections were inadequate.

please note, that was not my post. I was quoting a post from an earlier thread.

I have a question wrote:Unintentional plagiarism Lemmie? :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: you'll have to ask Liz. I had it in quotes with a source link, she's the one who, um...unintentionally called it mine!
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Lemmie wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol: you'll have to ask Liz. I had it in quotes with a source link, she's the one who --unintentionally? intentionally?-- called it mine!

LOL. I thought the post was yours. As Ceeboo mentioned, it was pretty like a rainbow. :biggrin:
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Jesse Pinkman wrote:
fetchface wrote:Am I correct that DCP is a professor currently employed at BYU?

Yes.

It'd be kind of cool if Honor Code enforcement there were more preoccupied with ensuring academic integrity instead of enforcing obedience to silly LDS social norms. I'm mystified that this seems to fly under the radar while kids get turned away from the testing center for having some stubble. :confused:

I'm glad I didn't go play that game and got to live in the real world instead. I guarantee that my Alma Mater would not have put up with these sorts of antics.
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Peterson is really paying attention. The post Tom just documented now has this, after footnote 8:

[8] J. A. T. Robinson, Can We Trust the New Testament? (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1977), 124.

[These notes are drawn from a superb 2004 essay by Gary Habermas titled “The Case for Christ’s Resurrection.”]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterso ... OVBHf6H.99


Note that the webcache version, with the heading: "a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Dec 25, 2017 10:08:56 GMT" shows this:

[8] J. A. T. Robinson, Can We Trust the New Testament? (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1977), 124.



http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterso ... lWmoEHY.99


Here is the full description of the webcached page:
This is Google's cache of http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterso ... Jesus.html. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Dec 25, 2017 10:08:56 GMT.

The current page could have changed in the meantime.


The irony of that last bolded sentence is rich.
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How does plagiarism equate to ‘notes drawn from’?
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Lemmie wrote:Peterson is really paying attention. The post Tom just documented now has this, after footnote 8:

[8] J. A. T. Robinson, Can We Trust the New Testament? (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1977), 124.

[These notes are drawn from a superb 2004 essay by Gary Habermas titled “The Case for Christ’s Resurrection.”]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterso ... OVBHf6H.99

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This thread is one of the most dramatic events on MDB in some time. To think that DCP is following this thread and editing his work in response to it is rather incredible. The possibility that other BYU employees are following it too is even more riveting. It’s like a race.
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