DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism
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Well, he better be going through his Deseret News articles first. That's all I'm going to say about that.
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Kishkumen wrote:This thread is one of the most dramatic events on MormonDiscussions.com in some time. To think that DCP is following this thread and editing his work in response to it is rather incredible. The possibility that other BYU employees are following it too is even more riveting. It’s like a race.
Huh. That's a good point. I wonder if his other colleagues have been so cavalier with their published work, too...
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Re: DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism
I was instead referring to the possibility that people at BYU might be following this thread to see what it revealed about DCP’s writing.
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I note that Dr. Peterson has yet to address the problems that Lemmie documented in the Sic et Non post titled "Sawing off the branch on which it sits" (see here).
This template may be useful in the future when Dr. Peterson needs to make a quick amendment to a post to offer some sort of credit to other authors:
This template may be useful in the future when Dr. Peterson needs to make a quick amendment to a post to offer some sort of credit to other authors:
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Kishkumen wrote:I was instead referring to the possibility that people at BYU might be following this thread to see what it revealed about DCP’s writing.
Yeah, this is an important point. If DCP does wind up getting into trouble over this, it's most likely going happen because one of his colleagues at BYU sounded the alarm. Let's face it: he has pissed off a lot of people at BYU over the years, most notably people in the "new" Maxwell Institute, and people over in Religious Education. Think how nasty DCP was towards Blair Hodges, for example. And Hodges strikes me as someone who actually and sincerely cares about things like academic integrity and scholarly ethics. Will he (or someone like him) look at this and decide to act?
I also have to wonder about the "acolytes"--guys like Steve Smoot and Neal Rappleye. How do they react to this? Do they just shrug it off? Are they bothered by it?
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Tom wrote:I note that Dr. Peterson has yet to address the problems that Lemmie documented in the Sic et Non post titled "Sawing off the branch on which it sits" (see here).
This template may be useful in the future when Dr. Peterson needs to make a quick amendment to a post to offer some sort of credit to other authors:These notes are drawn from a[n] [insert one and only one of these adjectives: awesome/ banner/ brilliant/ classic/ dope/ dynamite/ estimable/ fabulous/ fantastic/ first-rate/ hype/ incomparable/ incredible/ indispensable/inestimable/ inimitable/ intriguing/ irreplaceable/ invaluable/ keen/ landmark/ magisterial/ marvelous/ redoubtable/ remarkable/ savage/ splendid/ superb/ terrific/ top-notch/ tremendous/ wonderful] [insert appropriate category of work from which your notes were silently taken, e.g.: essay/ article/ monograph/ book/ tome/ magnum opus] by [insert name of author or authors from whose work your notes were silently taken] titled “[insert title of work from which your notes were silently taken]."


And recall, he actually used that same Pearcey essay to plagiarize TWO blog entries, in addition to the one you noted above, this 10.23.17 one also: "What difference does Darwin make?" (see here).
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Doctor Scratch wrote:Kishkumen wrote:I was instead referring to the possibility that people at BYU might be following this thread to see what it revealed about DCP’s writing.
Yeah, this is an important point. If DCP does wind up getting into trouble over this, it's most likely going happen because one of his colleagues at BYU sounded the alarm. Let's face it: he has pissed off a lot of people at BYU over the years, most notably people in the "new" Maxwell Institute, and people over in Religious Education. Think how nasty DCP was towards Blair Hodges, for example. And Hodges strikes me as someone who actually and sincerely cares about things like academic integrity and scholarly ethics. Will he (or someone like him) look at this and decide to act?
I also have to wonder about the "acolytes"--guys like Steve Smoot and Neal Rappleye. How do they react to this? Do they just shrug it off? Are they bothered by it?
Blair hasn’t posted here in years. Not sure how much he follows this site silently though. Everybody Wang Chung mentioned that he knew of several BYU folks who were following the thread here. I suppose he could have heard what was going on from them.
I have to say, Shades should feel good about the variety of readers this site seems to have. It appears that there are at least quite a few pro-LDS lurkers here.
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Lemmie wrote:And recall, he actually used that same Pearcey essay to plagiarize TWO blog entries, in addition to the one you noted above, this 10.23.17 one also: "What difference does Darwin make?" (see here).
Yes, that's right. Regarding the third footnote in Dr. Peterson's post, when I searched the string ["berenstein bears" or "berenstain bears" and "or ever will be"], I noticed everyone from Pearcey to Charles Colson to Dinesh D'Souza to Dan DeWitt to Dr. Peterson became alarmed when they innocently opened up a Berenstain Bears nature/science book one day and discovered the identical insidious Darwinist messaging between the book covers.
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Tom wrote:Lemmie wrote:And recall, he actually used that same Pearcey essay to plagiarize TWO blog entries, in addition to the one you noted above, this 10.23.17 one also: "What difference does Darwin make?" (see here).
Yes, that's right. Regarding the third footnote in Dr. Peterson's post, when I searched the string ["berenstein bears" or "berenstain bears" and "or ever will be"], I noticed everyone from Pearcey to Charles Colson to Dinesh D'Souza to Dan DeWitt to Dr. Peterson became alarmed when they innocently opened up a Berenstain Bears nature/science book one day and discovered the identical insidious Darwinist messaging between the book covers.

Nature is you!
Nature is me!
It's all that IS
or WAS
or EVER WILL BE!
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According to Peterson's footnote, he is quoting the book itself, even though what he wrote in his blog entry is NOT from the book. What he wrote does, however, exactly match what Pearcey wrote, right down to the ellipses and the error:
Pearcey wrote: The Berenstain Bears’ Nature Guide. In it, the Bear family invites the reader on a nature walk, and after a few pages, we open to a two-page spread, glazed with the light of the rising sun, proclaiming in capital letters:
“Nature … is all that IS, or WAS, or EVER WILL BE!”23
And here is Peterson:
[bolding added]DCP wrote:As the 1975 children’s book The Bears’ Nature Guide, featuring the Berenstain Bears, informs its young audience,
“Nature . . . is all that IS, or WAS, or EVER WILL BE!”[3]
In his comments, however, Peterson insists he doesn't know her...
...surely not enough to trust her to get the words to a children's book correct.Finally, IS Nancy Pearcey a young-Earth creationist who believes that humans and dinosaurs co-existed? It's certainly possible; I know little about her....

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Doctor Scratch wrote:Kishkumen wrote:I was instead referring to the possibility that people at BYU might be following this thread to see what it revealed about DCP’s writing.
Yeah, this is an important point. If DCP does wind up getting into trouble over this, it's most likely going happen because one of his colleagues at BYU sounded the alarm. Let's face it: he has pissed off a lot of people at BYU over the years, most notably people in the "new" Maxwell Institute, and people over in Religious Education. Think how nasty DCP was towards Blair Hodges, for example. And Hodges strikes me as someone who actually and sincerely cares about things like academic integrity and scholarly ethics. Will he (or someone like him) look at this and decide to act?
I also have to wonder about the "acolytes"--guys like Steve Smoot and Neal Rappleye. How do they react to this? Do they just shrug it off? Are they bothered by it?
"Think how nasty DCP was towards Blair Hodges, for example. And Hodges strikes me as someone who actually and sincerely cares about things like academic integrity and scholarly ethics. Will he (or someone like him) look at this and decide to act?"
I suspect that if Blair does decide to act, it will not be an act of revenge for nastiness. I think he's more classy than that.
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