Discussion of the ''DCP / plagiarism'' thread

[_Jesse Pinkman]

What is the exact policy? If you have reference to it, would you mind quoting it? If it was spelled out earlier, this thread is so long, I would appreciate not having to go back over pages to try to find it. I can’t comment one way or the other until I have read it. Thanks.

JP,

Yes, it has been brought up numerous times. It will literally take you 2 minutes at the most to read:

https://policy.BYU.edu/view/index.php?p=10&s=s50

Thank you for providing the link.

Here is a quote taken directly from the link you provided:

Inadvertent Plagiarism - Inadvertent plagiarism involves the inappropriate, but nondeliberate, use of another's words, ideas, or data without proper attribution. Inadvertent plagiarism usually results from an ignorant failure to follow established rules for documenting sources or from simply not being sufficiently careful in research and writing. Although not a violation of the Honor Code, inadvertent plagiarism is a form of academic misconduct for which an instructor can impose appropriate academic sanctions. Students who are in doubt as to whether they are providing proper attribution have the responsibility to consult with their instructor and obtain guidance.

(Bold emphasis mine)

Considering the fact that I feel Dan’s plagiarism falls under the category of inadvertent plagiarism, as long as I stated before, he is able to actually correct any writing where he failed to credit things properly, I don’t see why he should be obligated to report himself. It is not technically against the honor code, based on how things are stated here. And by the way, I don’t think this type of resolution should apply just to DCP. I think that any professor who inadvertently plagiarizes, but who corrects the problem, should not be disciplined either.

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

Faculty Academic Integrity
The substantive standards of academic honesty stated in this policy apply a fortiori to faculty. Indeed, all members of the BYU community are expected to act according to the highest principles of academic integrity.

JP,

Please address the above quote about the policy applying a fortiori to faculty.

Also, you quoted the part that inadvertent plagiarism is considered "academic misconduct". Are you really taking the position that academic misconduct by a faculty member doesn't need to be self-reported?

Just trying to understand where you are coming from. I'm having a a hard time.

[_Lemmie]

Where did I say it was your job to babysit me or ask you to? Who is baiting who here, Lemmie?

...You want me to stay on topic? Encourage others to treat me civilly. Then I’ll comment on the topic...

Back to the topic.......

Inadvertent plagiarism involves the inappropriate, but nondeliberate, use of another's words, ideas, or data without proper attribution.

After the plagiarism was called to Peterson's attention, he responded by adding a source at the end, but continued to use another's exact words without quotation marks.

In doing so, he turned his inadvertant plagiarism into intentional plagiarism.

He has repeated this action, each time after claiming the plagiarism was unintentional, over and over for years. At what point does one begin to suspect the 'unintentional' claim is just a good story he saves for when he's caught?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

JP,

Take this article:

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700 ... hrist.html

Run it through a plagiarism checker, paragraph by paragraph, and tell me what you come up with...

Let me know if I missed any of the sources or direct quotes an author might provide in order to avoid a charge of plagiarism. Thanks in advance.

That's all I'm going to point out because the rest is even more damning.

- Doc

JP,

He ripped off Wiki and a couple other sites from the above-linked DN article with no attributions, quotes, or references.

How is that unintentional? Why not give attribution in the article rather than giving the impression it's all him?

https://edubirdie.com/plagiarism-checker

Feel free to run any number of his DN articles through the checker and you'll see what I'm talking about.

This is deliberate. Many of his articles are a pastiche of topical Google searches.

- Doc

[_I have a question]

Thank you for providing the link.

Here is a quote taken directly from the link you provided:

Inadvertent Plagiarism - Inadvertent plagiarism involves the inappropriate, but nondeliberate, use of another's words, ideas, or data without proper attribution. Inadvertent plagiarism usually results from an ignorant failure to follow established rules for documenting sources or from simply not being sufficiently careful in research and writing. Although not a violation of the Honor Code, [u]inadvertent plagiarism is a form of academic misconduct[/u] for which an instructor can impose appropriate academic sanctions. Students who are in doubt as to whether they are providing proper attribution have the responsibility to consult with their instructor and obtain guidance.

(Bold emphasis mine)

Considering the fact that I feel Dan’s plagiarism falls under the category of inadvertent plagiarism, as long as I stated before, he is able to actually correct any writing where he failed to credit things properly, I don’t see why he should be obligated to report himself. It is not technically against the honor code, based on how things are stated here. And by the way, I don’t think this type of resolution should apply just to DCP. I think that any professor who inadvertently plagiarizes, but who corrects the problem, should not be disciplined either.

You seemed to have stopped short of bolding the full context of the sentence you are using to continue your nonsensical and untenable promotion of DCP as a rushing, careless buffoon who doesn’t have time to take notes properly and who keeps forgetting where he pulls writing from despite knowing he has a habit of ‘inadvertently’ not giving proper attribution. So I’ve take the liberty of bolding and underlining it.

You’re now accusing DCP of academic misconduct (In case you didn't know that’s what you were doing).

I note the hastily correcting Peterson hasn’t enlisted the help of his blog followers by informing them he may, over the years, have inadvertently plagiarised others work both in his blog and in his Deseret News pieces. Which is a shock, because his followers can help him with the workload of checking everything. If he is genuinely contrite, why so silent?

As you are a friend, how much of his published works have you bothered to check for plagiarism, to help him out?

[_Jesse Pinkman]

I note the hastily correcting Peterson hasn’t enlisted the help of his blog followers by informing them he may, over the years, have inadvertently plagiarised others work both in his blog and in his Deseret News pieces. Which is a shock, because his followers can help him with the workload of checking everything. If he is genuinely contrite, why so silent?

Why should he bother enlisting his friends when his enemies are already doing such a bang-up job?

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Faculty Academic Integrity
The substantive standards of academic honesty stated in this policy apply a fortiori to faculty. Indeed, all members of the BYU community are expected to act according to the highest principles of academic integrity.

JP,

Please address the above quote about the policy applying a fortiori to faculty.

Also, you quoted the part that inadvertent plagiarism is considered "academic misconduct". Are you really taking the position that academic misconduct by a faculty member doesn't need to be self-reported?

Just trying to understand where you are coming from. I'm having a a hard time.

I feel that there are varying degrees of academic misconduct, and that if, in this case, (not just Peterson, but anyone), takes it upon himself to go back and correct the problem, then the problem is resolved and there is no need to self-report. This is my personal stance. I realize that most people in academia do not feel this way. Maybe my being in the private sector has influenced me more in this direction.

DrW gave an example of how it took years before his company fired an individual who was guilty of plagiarism. At first, they attempted to work with him, and have him correct his errors, and change his ways.

It is the same avenue I am coming from here. I hope that clarifies things for you. And I want you to know that I genuinely appreciate your civility. Thank you for that.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

JP,

Would you want to employ someone at your organization who is unqualified to be there, but hides it by poaching other people's ideas? Like, they completely bamboozle everyone into thinking they're competent, but they're only stealing other people's work and ideas?

Because that's what's happening.

- Doc

[_DrW]

I note the hastily correcting Peterson hasn’t enlisted the help of his blog followers by informing them he may, over the years, have inadvertently plagiarised others work both in his blog and in his Deseret News pieces. Which is a shock, because his followers can help him with the workload of checking everything. If he is genuinely contrite, why so silent?

Why should he bother enlisting his friends when his enemies are already doing such a bang-up job?

Jesse,

Casting this thread content as a friends vs. enemies issue misses the point. You clearly consider yourself a friend of DCP, and that is your choice.

The problem is that you (and no doubt many others among the faithful) consider those who point out DCP's increasingly numerous and egregious examples of plagiarism and overall substandard work ethic as 'enemies'.

This is the same as characterizing the FAA instructor who closely monitors pilot license exams to prevent cheating as the 'enemy' of those taking the exam.

The FAA instructor is there to help ensure that those pilots can demonstrate the knowledge and competency required, by law, before they are entrusted with hundreds of lives and hundreds of millions of dollars worth of equipment.

That being said, there are any number of societies in which various forms of intellectual property theft such as plagiarism, copyright and patent infringement, software cracking, music and motion picture pirating, etc., are tolerated to a greater extent than in western Europe and North America.

Perhaps the best solution for DCP would be to simply move his base of operations.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

I note the hastily correcting Peterson hasn’t enlisted the help of his blog followers by informing them he may, over the years, have inadvertently plagiarised others work both in his blog and in his Deseret News pieces. Which is a shock, because his followers can help him with the workload of checking everything. If he is genuinely contrite, why so silent?

Why should he bother enlisting his friends when his enemies are already doing such a bang-up job?

Jesse,

Casting this thread content as a friends vs. enemies issue misses the point. You clearly consider yourself a friend of DCP, and that is your choice.

The problem is that you (and no doubt many others among the faithful) consider those who point out DCP's increasingly numerous and egregious examples of plagiarism and overall substandard work ethic as 'enemies'.

This is the same as characterizing the FAA instructor who closely monitors pilot license exams to prevent cheating as the 'enemy' of those taking the exam.

The FAA instructor is there to help ensure that those pilots can demonstrate the knowledge and competency required, by law, before they are entrusted with hundreds of lives and hundreds of millions of dollars worth of equipment.

That being said, there are any number of societies in which various forms of intellectual property theft such as plagiarism, copyright and patent infringement, software cracking, music and motion picture pirating, etc., are tolerated to a greater extent than in western Europe and North America.

Perhaps the best solution for DCP would be to simply move his base of operations.

I understand your point. However, DrW, let me point out a couple of reasons why I stated things the way I did. Many folks here on this thread have admitted actually here and elsewhere, that they are not only not fans of DCP, but genuinely do not like the man. This was established BEFORE this thread was ever created. I'm not saying that EVERYONE on this thread is an enemy to DCP. My comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek in that regard. But the fact is, there are a large number of folks on this site who do not like DCP at all. Did you know that Dan has received anonymous threatening and disgraceful emails from people who at least lurk here, if not post here? The reason he can deduct that much is because the emailer addresses situations touched on in various MDB threads. The man hasn't posted here in close to a decade, yet countless threads are created with DCP as the subject, and I have yet to see ONE speak of him in a positive light. It isn't difficult to draw the conclusion that the bulk of those who post here are certainly not friends of DCP's in any sense of the word.

Also, you are comparing Lemmie, who started the thread, to someone such as an FAA Instructor, who is acting in an official capacity. She is a lay person in this incident.