Discussion of the ''DCP / plagiarism'' thread

[_I have a question]

My entire frustration with this thread is the following:

Everyone has been doggedly documenting examples of Dan’s plagiarism, but to what end?

What is it that everyone who has participated on this thread hopes to gain? Do you want Dan to resign? Is that it?

Do you want to see him fired? If so, why hasn’t anyone formally reported him?

The point of this exercise is what, exactly?

Interesting that your ‘entire frustration’ with this thread doesn’t include being frustrated that your friend continues to plagiarise. Long after a few previous Mea Culpas. Long after having said plagiarism pointed out time and time again without any subsequent self-correction.

One wonders the reasoning behind your continuing insistence that the thread is the problem here, rather than the plagiarism. I note you haven’t responded to my shoplifter analogy. I don’t blame you for not doing so...

[_I have a question]

I think that DCP is going to do his best to go back through and attribute all of the authors. That is what you ultimately want to see. That is what I would like to see as well. I think it will take some time for him to go through all of his writings and take care of this, but I would like to see him allowed to make a good faith effort to do that.

He’s had at least 10 years to do so already.

A notorious, serial plagiarist operating in “Good faith”

FTR I won’t be reporting him, to anybody.

[_moksha]

I think that DCP is going to do his best to go back through and attribute all of the authors. I think it will take some time for him to go through all of his writings and take care of this, but I would like to see him allowed to make a good faith effort to do that.

Great idea. In the meantime, the Artful Dodger can begin replacing all the schillings, bob and pence to the pockets of the rightful owners, thereby setting Londontown at peace.

[_DrW]

I think that DCP is going to do his best to go back through and attribute all of the authors. That is what you ultimately want to see. That is what I would like to see as well. I think it will take some time for him to go through all of his writings and take care of this, but I would like to see him allowed to make a good faith effort to do that.

As mentioned upthread, plagiarism is not the only problem with DCP's work product. Last evening I went through his posts for 2017 alone and was appalled at the amount of lazy link and run posting, misunderstanding, misrepresentation, and straight-up misinformation found in his work - all in the interest of promoting and maintaining unfounded belief in Mormonism.

So far on this thread, Lemmie has tolerated my comments on the substandard quality of DCP's work for reasons other than plagiarism and I appreciate her forbearance. However, it is going to take more than occasional contributions from Dean Robber's friend gemli in the S&N comment section to set the record straight.

Having no expectation whatsoever that DCP would ever admit to (or even recognize) these kinds of deficiencies, let alone make any attempt to correct them, I've decided to pitch in and give him a hand - and will be doing so on new threads so as not to further defocus the efforts here.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

I think that DCP is going to do his best to go back through and attribute all of the authors. That is what you ultimately want to see. That is what I would like to see as well. I think it will take some time for him to go through all of his writings and take care of this, but I would like to see him allowed to make a good faith effort to do that.

As mentioned upthread, plagiarism is not the only problem with DCP's work product. Last evening I went through his posts for 2017 alone and was appalled at the amount of lazy link and run posting, misunderstanding, misrepresentation, and straight-up misinformation found in his work - all in the interest of promoting and maintaining unfounded belief in Mormonism.

So far on this thread, Lemmie has tolerated my comments on the substandard quality of DCP's work for reasons other than plagiarism and I appreciate her forbearance. However, it is going to take more than occasional contributions from Dean Robber's friend gemli in the S&N comment section to set the record straight.

Having no expectation whatsoever that DCP would ever admit to (or even recognize) these kinds of deficiencies, let alone make any attempt to correct them, I've decided to pitch in and give him a hand - and will be doing so on new threads so as not to further defocus the efforts here.

Now that is one DCP thread that I would be very interested in reading. I look forward to your new thread.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

My entire frustration with this thread is the following:

Everyone has been doggedly documenting examples of Dan’s plagiarism, but to what end?

What is it that everyone who has participated on this thread hopes to gain? Do you want Dan to resign? Is that it?

Do you want to see him fired? If so, why hasn’t anyone formally reported him?

The point of this exercise is what, exactly?

I've participated, so I'll answer. I don't hope to gain anything. There's no gain to be had here for me. Peterson means no more to me than any other professor at any other university.

My personal opinion is that he should acknowledge the nature and extent of his plagiarism, publicly apologize to those whose words and ideas he has passed off as his own, and resign his academic position, and retire from academia. I think he should also confess his conduct to his bishop for consideration of disciplinary authority, just as if he had stolen his neighbor's ox rather than his words and ideas. That would be the right thing to do.

My personal opinion is that his employer should review the evidence of plagiarism, review all of his published works for evidence of plagiarism, and take whatever action is appropriate given their contractual relationship with him and whatever code of conduct they hold their faculty to.

Each person's reasons for not reporting him at this point in time may differ. I haven't because I consider plagiarism a serious charge that should be treated seriously. What we have right now is a long bulletin board thread. Before I ever chose to inform a publication or employer of alleged plagiarism, I'd want to review all of the evidence myself and conduct my own review of plagiarism standards and specific cases. I'd then want to organize all the material into something that looks like a legal brief that lays out all the evidence to support an accusation of plagiarism. I'd then want to put that in a drawer for a week or so and then come back to it to flyspeck it and make sure that the brief sufficiently supported the accusation. Because the evidence was originally developed and made public in a forum that would be considered hostile to Peterson, I'd want to make sure all the i's were dotted, the t's were crossed, and all the citations and quotes were squeaky clean before sending the document off. If I'm gong to take on a professor at a major university, I'm going expect a helluva fight, and I'm not going to risk a libel suit based on shoddy work product. So my answer is, what appears in this thread is not ready for prime time, and it would take a ton of work to get it ready.

The point of this exercise is fact-gathering and discussing. I know that waiting for the other shoe to drop is killing you, but if anyone chooses to drop the shoe, I wouldn't expect it to happen soon. Not if it's done properly.

At this point, if there is anyone seriously considering pursuing this with a publisher or employer, I suggest doing so off of this board through a private forum. Y'all have given Peterson plenty of notice of the problem and your opinions of it. He has plenty of opportunity to do the right thing. Any actual planning, preparation of materials, etc. should not be done here.

Thank you so much for your response. This is one of the most thorough and succinct posts I have read on this thread. I appreciate your thoughtfulness.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

My entire frustration with this thread is the following:

Everyone has been doggedly documenting examples of Dan’s plagiarism, but to what end?

What is it that everyone who has participated on this thread hopes to gain? Do you want Dan to resign? Is that it?

Do you want to see him fired? If so, why hasn’t anyone formally reported him?

The point of this exercise is what, exactly?

Interesting that your ‘entire frustration’ with this thread doesn’t include being frustrated that your friend continues to plagiarise. Long after a few previous Mea Culpas. Long after having said plagiarism pointed out time and time again without any subsequent self-correction.

One wonders the reasoning behind your continuing insistence that the thread is the problem here, rather than the plagiarism. I note you haven’t responded to my shoplifter analogy. I don’t blame you for not doing so...

Again, your reading comprehension is off.

I listed my frustration with the thread itself. Why would my frustration with Dan enter into what I was addressing as specifics regarding the written thread? That would be a whole different category.

I didn't bother to answer your other analogy because, frankly, I don't feel I owe you the courtesy. You have been nothing but rude and disrespectful to me on this thread, so I don't feel any obligation to answer or address every little post you make here.

[_I have a question]

I didn't bother to answer your other analogy because, frankly, I don't feel I owe you the courtesy. You have been nothing but rude and disrespectful to me on this thread, so I don't feel any obligation to answer or address every little post you make here.

Everbody knows why you didn’t respond to my analogy - because it’s a perfect analogy, and shows your entire posting history on this thread to be either disingenuous or a demonstration of your lack of understanding of the subject matter.

Like I said, I don’t blame you for not answering.

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Lemmie, I apologise for this slight tangentially disruptive aside. But I felt JP’s repeated attempts to drown the thread or to precipitate more drama for herself, (as you have tried to negotiate your threads way past) needed further highlighting. Job done. I won’t respond to her any further.

Back to DCP’s inadvertent, but long term track record of plagiarism...

[_Jesse Pinkman]

I didn't bother to answer your other analogy because, frankly, I don't feel I owe you the courtesy. You have been nothing but rude and disrespectful to me on this thread, so I don't feel any obligation to answer or address every little post you make here.

Everbody knows why you didn’t respond to my analogy - because it’s a perfect analogy, and shows your entire posting history on this thread to be either disingenuous or a demonstration of your lack of understanding of the subject matter.

Like I said, I don’t blame you for not answering.

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Lemmie, I apologise for this slight tangentially disruptive aside. But I felt JP’s repeated attempts to drown the thread or to precipitate more drama for herself, (as you have tried to negotiate your threads way past) needed further highlighting. Job done. I won’t respond to her any further.

Back to DCP’s inadvertent, but long term track record of plagiarism...

I love how you call it upon yourself to speak for everyone on the thread and provide yourself with a self-congratulatory adulation on how perfect your analogy is.

ETA-Thank God we have it on record that you won’t be responding any further to my posts. Now, if you can quit throwing personal attacks my way, we will have a win/win.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey W!

Having no expectation whatsoever that DCP would ever admit to (or even recognize) these kinds of deficiencies, let alone make any attempt to correct them, I've decided to pitch in and give him a hand - and will be doing so on new threads so as not to further defocus the efforts here.

Awesome sauce!
That's exactly what this board needs - more DCP threads!

Peace,
Ceeboo