Tidal wave of sexual assault-misconduct allegations list

[_Jersey Girl]

Her version of events is he didn't pick up on non-verbal cues. Whatever the case may be he's now publicly labeled as a deviant while she bears no responsibility for her part in the matter. He's the perp. She's the victim.

Doc

There are way more unreported sexual crimes than false accusations. Don't panic doc, there is no massive witch hunt of false accusations. Women are not trying to hurt you .

If you are still very worried Doc then don't be around young women. If you are an employer don't hire young women (hire middle age women and young men so no one can prove discrimination based on age or sex). So calm down Doc and take my friendly advice, live a happy life.

I don't see him as worried or panicky at all. I see that he's presenting the less popular (?) or less directly thought of (?) alternative perspective. That is that all women who claim abuse don't alll have legitimate claims and in some cases, women are manipulating a situation (sometimes) to their beneift.

And when I say benefit, I mean financial gain.

[_Jersey Girl]

All kidding aside I think if a woman touches a man without express consent, whether it's welcome or not, then she should be reported for sexual harassment or assault depending on the offense.

I agree, but I wouldn't report a woman for touching or flashing me, unless it is something more serious. I have a feeling most men don't report women.

or if a woman tells me "Hey you have a nice masculine @SS" I wouldn't report her
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I think there's a reason for what we see as mixed reactions between women and men. I think many or most women may take certain behaviors as feeling more invasive. Then, you've got women in the workplace who think and feel that they're being pressured, exploited and/or manipulated because at the end of the trail their very livelihoods are on the line.

And then, to complicate matters even more, you've got employees (male/female) who make overtures or flirt with their supervisors in order to manipulate them to save their jobs or in the hopes of securing promotion.

And let's not forget the folks who level false allegations in the hopes of a handsome payout.

Basically, some people in society are completely messed up and that's a fact jack.

[Guest]

DT,

Given the definition of "consent" that seems to be evolving (it must be "enthusiastic", it can be withdrawn with no obvious indication, etc) we are making criminals of literally every adult man and woman in this country.

In the eyes of some; women get to be strong and independent, while somehow simultaneously unable to make adult decisions and have no personal responsibility for themselves. Especially when drunk, men are fully capable and responsible for all drunk decisions, but women are children who can't give consent.

Back to Aziz, we have a woman who pursued him aggressively. We have her saying in one article that she said she wanted to slow down, that she was uncomfortable, etc, but she also said that she consensually did other things (gave and received oral sex, for example). It's unfair to put the onus on someone else to understand exactly what you mean when you don't say it explicitly, and you can walk right the “F” out the door at any moment.

Anyway, I'm personally unaffected by this nonsense. But I do see it as a sort of Orwellian kafkatrap for the accused, and I don't believe we should simply take someone's word as the gospel truth. I've seen way too much bull crap, and have been around the block too many times, to just believe someone because they say something is how they say it is.

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

There are way more unreported sexual crimes than false accusations.

How in the world would know you that? If something is unreported then you can't accumulate data on it. It's just speculation made by arbitrary assertion.

I get it. You're young, and you're being influenced by appeals to emotion. Human motivations span the entire spectrum of mental and emotional processes, and that's the reason why we have the obligation to approach seriuos accusations with seriousness The fallout, like we just saw with Dushku's accusations, has this kind of result:

http://deadline.com/2018/01/true-lies-s ... 202243097/

“WPA has elected to part ways with Joel Kramer based on the allegations of misconduct now being reported. Such behavior is unacceptable and entirely at odds with the the standards of conduct we demand of ourselves, and expect from our clients,” the agency’s president and general counsel Richard Caleel said in a statement to Deadline.

If he's innocent of these accusations this is a horrific outcome.

- Doc

[_Xenophon]

An interesting take on the topic generally and Aziz Ansari specifically from Caitlin Flanagan over at The Atlantic.

I think she does a pretty good job giving credence to the idea that it is essential that we are taking accusations more seriously and that backlash is a natural consequence of some pent up rage over past indiscretions but that we need to be careful and take each instance as an individual case and not cast too wide a net. Keep in mind she has been very supportive of bringing those with credible accusations of sexual assault to justice.

But we’re at warp speed now, and the revolution—in many ways so good and so important—is starting to sweep up all sorts of people into its conflagration: the monstrous, the cruel, and the simply unlucky.

[_DoubtingThomas]

Basically, some people in society are completely messed up and that's a fact jack.

Yes, I sometimes wish the aliens would just come to Earth to govern us.

[_MsJack]

An interesting take on the topic generally and Aziz Ansari specifically from Caitlin Flanagan over at The Atlantic.

I think she does a pretty good job giving credence to the idea that it is essential that we are taking accusations more seriously and that backlash is a natural consequence of some pent up rage over past indiscretions but that we need to be careful and take each instance as an individual case and not cast too wide a net. Keep in mind she has been very supportive of bringing those with credible accusations of sexual assault to justice.

But we’re at warp speed now, and the revolution—in many ways so good and so important—is starting to sweep up all sorts of people into its conflagration: the monstrous, the cruel, and the simply unlucky.

I've been fully supportive of most of these women coming forward as part of #MeToo and #TimesUp, but I'm having mixed feelings about the Aziz Ansari case myself.

[Guest]

I've been fully supportive of most of these women coming forward as part of #MeToo and #TimesUp, but I'm having mixed feelings about the Aziz Ansari case myself.

Hi MsJack,

My name is DoubtingThomas but you can just call me Thomas. Congratulations for getting engaged, may the lucky guy make you very happy. MsJack I have a question, how do you define sexual harassment? If a guy tries to convince (and begs) a woman to go out on a date with him after saying no, would you consider it as harassment? I honestly want to know your opinion to best understand women. Thanks.

[_DoubtingThomas]

I've been fully supportive of most of these women coming forward as part of #MeToo.

Yes me too

[Guest]

DoubtingThomas,

Given the definition of "consent" that seems to be evolving (it must be "enthusiastic", it can be withdrawn with no obvious indication, etc) we are making criminals of literally every adult man and woman in this country.

"Enthusiastic Yes" would have been a good idea if it wasn't for that fact that our culture is very complicated. For our culture a woman isn't suppose to be easy, a woman is suppose to play hard to get. Many women think saying "enthusiastically yes" makes them look like a slut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGMi0UtvTIc

So at this moment our laws should just to stick with "No means No".