In 2013 Russell M. Nelson opened a stake in Armenia, what happened next?

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Re: In 2013 Russell M. Nelson opened a stake in Armenia, what happened next?

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The 'church' is an obscenely wealthy Babylonian real estate corporation masquerading as a religion which was founded by a con-man... why in the world would anyone give any credence to what any of these corporate execs spew?
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Sledge wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:24 pm
Dr Exiled wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:12 pm


Yes, but at some point there should be some prophecy that comes true. Russell M. Nelson claims he is a prophet but rarely gives us a prophecy and I don't know of any that have come to pass. Also, Russell M. Nelson and his fellow court jesters love to couch whatever they do in nebulous "if it be God's will" language so they can win with any outcome. IHAQ is merely pointing out more of the same nonsense that happens with these self-proclaimed prophets.
If I give you two, will I see you at church on Sunday?

1) Home-centered church. Maybe he didn’t know exactly why, but he was inspired to shorten church and make it more home centered. This was right before the pandemic.

2) “Take your vitamins.”
1. Shortening church was done to make it less burdensome on the members as a way to stanch the bleeding of people leaving. The home-centered claims and the pandemic are more ad hoc reasoning used to make the ordinary into "revelation." The April conference was supposed to be a celebration of Joseph Smith and the First Vision culminating with shots of the crowd in the conference center waiving their towels. That didn't happen and Russell M. Nelson's prophecy of something spectacular for April 2020 fell flat. Also, how does shortening the meetings from 3 to 2 hrs make any difference in having a home-centered church or not? It's only one hour out of the week. Surely this concept of home-centered church doesn't depend on 3 or 2 hour church. Also, this is a recycled claim. Back when the meetings were consolidated down to 3 hrs from the week full of meetings and split sunday meetings, it was sold as a way to make the home more important, a.k.a. "home-centered church."

2. Right. I got one for you .... breath air, eat good food and drink plenty of water. If you do those things, I prophesy that you will live longer.
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Your opinion is noted. Wrong, but noted.

Do you need help finding out where your ward meets this Sunday?
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Sledge wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:24 pm
Dr Exiled wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:12 pm


Yes, but at some point there should be some prophecy that comes true. Russell M. Nelson claims he is a prophet but rarely gives us a prophecy and I don't know of any that have come to pass. Also, Russell M. Nelson and his fellow court jesters love to couch whatever they do in nebulous "if it be God's will" language so they can win with any outcome. IHAQ is merely pointing out more of the same nonsense that happens with these self-proclaimed prophets.
If I give you two, will I see you at church on Sunday?

1) Home-centered church. Maybe he didn’t know exactly why, but he was inspired to shorten church and make it more home centered. This was right before the pandemic.
How is saying home-centered church a prophecy? Can you detail the prophecy aspect of this move?
2) “Take your vitamins.”
Pretty sure you're joking, but on the off chance you are not, what specifically about "Take your vitamins" is a prophecy?
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I am bemused by claims of prophecy in which the prophet sets up home church in anticipation of Covid but failed to warn the world about Covid itself.

"Dear God,

"Thanks for establishing a better home church system for the upcoming plague. In the future it would be much more helpful to get advanced warning about the plague itself, unless of course home centered church is more important than saving lives. Oh, and in case you didn't notice, we have like $120 billion dollars that we could have spent on this plague but we didn't hear from You so we left it in the bank."
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dastardly stem wrote:
How is saying home-centered church a prophecy? Can you detail the prophecy aspect of this move?
Like I said, Russell M. Nelson may not have fully understood what was happening, but reducing church to two hours and preparing people from home-centered worship and education was a great way to prepare people from being home full-time because of the upcoming pandemic.


2) “Take your vitamins.”

Pretty sure you're joking, but on the off chance you are not, what specifically about "Take your vitamins" is a prophecy?
Healthier people were/are less likely to suffer from severe COVID symptoms.
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Fence Sitter wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:42 pm
I am bemused by claims of prophecy in which the prophet sets up home church in anticipation of Covid but failed to warn the world about Covid itself.
Are you "bemused?" That's great, darling. Take it up with god.
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Sledge wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:07 pm
Your opinion is noted. Wrong, but noted.

Do you need help finding out where your ward meets this Sunday?
I just hope it isn’t in Armenia.
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consiglieri wrote:
I just hope it isn’t in Armenia.
Cue the endless high-fives!
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Sledge wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:50 pm
Like I said, Russell M. Nelson may not have fully understood what was happening, but reducing church to two hours and preparing people from home-centered worship and education was a great way to prepare people from being home full-time because of the upcoming pandemic.
Not sure if people really needed any preparation to open a manual or scriptures when house bound.

I would have prefered he could have forseen the internet connectivity issues in less developed nations so they wouldn't be so isolated while at home.
Healthier people were/are less likely to suffer from severe COVID symptoms.
You leap from "taking vitamins" to people being healthier. I think the most recent wisdom on this is infact that many vitamin supplements have been shown to potentially cause more long term damage than any health benefits.

Also, not sure it has been shown to be causal that high vitamin D levels due to supplements have improved outcomes. There was the famous Spanish study on this that was withdrawn weeks after being published.

Seems that obesity is one of the major risk factors. Has Russell M. Nelson spoken about this in preparation for the pandemic? Seems like it would be good advice. I love a coke as much as the next man, but one of the more unfortunate unintended consequences of the Mormon law of health is how people depend on caffeinated sodas instead of potentially more healthy beverages such as green tea for example.


One thing I will give a bit of kudos for is the church's official message on vaccination. Well done Russell M. Nelson.
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