Meadowchik wrote:Shades has the math wrong and I addressed it before you posted this. Pedophilia violates consent.
How is the math wrong. Let's see. 1/100 is a higher probability than 1/1000. If confused let me know. As for this consent business, one, that depends on where the line defining consent is drawn (DoubtingThomas will show up at any moment to engage that debate), and two, who cares and what does this have to do with the price of tea in china? Either pedophilia is a thing or it isn't. Either people who have this thing are in control of it or they aren't. Are these natural feelings? Were they born with them? Are they powerless to live happy lives as a different "orientation?" Why can't we ever have, like, actual adult conversations around here? You act like my point is absurd, it's not. If it's "unfair" and a horrific crime against humanity for this gay man to live inauthentically, and therefore is justified in divorcing the fat, insecure TBM woman that got manipulated into this rainbow experiment, why can't that same argument be made for the pedophile marching in the NAMBLA parade? "humosexuality is a beautiful gift to the world!" As you toss colored jelly beans out into the wind. WTF are you talking about? Here, I've got another beautiful world gift for you. My wife is in love with Joseph Smith. And I'm not. But good news, that means I can kick her and my kids to the curb while I find a properly matched partner. JosephSmithLove and JosephSmithHate are equally beautiful gifts for the whole world to enjoy! Increasing individual opportunities for human connection and happiness.
by the way, have people read the comments on the OP? I would highly recommend it. The TBMs showing up to wax poetic about how much they know the church is true are particularly interesting.
God does things in his own way and timing, and right now he is telling his church leaders that gay marriage is not approved of by him right now. Will that ever change? Who knows?....Why should gay people not have to struggle with that even their whole lives, if a single person has to struggle with loneliness their whole life, or a starving person has to struggle. Or the person who gets beat by a partner. Or any other suffering. In my view it seems as if the lgbt community thinks they’re struggling more than anyone else, or they have it worse than anyone else, and somehow think their version of struggling is worse than anyone else..... that is 100% Gods call. Because he knows them better than they know themselves.
...I think it’s so great that Josh has such a strong testimony to continue to go to church with his family. I really hope he continues to do so. And if he finds himself wanting to stop going, I hope he sees that that’s not God telling him to not go. Anything that pulls us away from God simply isn’t good.
Shulem wrote:It's more than just IS. Love and sex is what perpetuates human life on the planet and without it there would be no such thing as the gift of life wherein babies are born. Life is a gift in the world and also is love which warms the world with a vibration of goodness, pleasure, and joy.
Well, uh, then doesn't that make homosexuality more of a curse on natural selection than a gift?
Without regard to natural selection which is a facet in life, it appears you, unlike Shades, are admitting that the practice of hetrosexual love and sex is a gift?
Let me tell you something, bigboy. Gay sex is a gift. Since we don't get babies out of the deal mother nature gave us gays better sex than you straight people. You don't know what you're missing!
Meadowchik wrote:Homosexuality is such a beautiful gift to the world.
How so?
There are less #metoo moments? Down in the SP <- eat crap with your stupid autocorrect! forum I think Jersey Girl is up to 18 pages of dudes swinging their dongs at helpless, powerless, scared women who are actually fierce, powerful, warrior-goddesses.
So. You know. You have that. Less #balls-on-babes means less psychological trauma.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
I am so very happy for you all, Josh, Lolly, and your girls. You have come to a beautiful place because you put faith, hope, and love into action. You have your deep friendship, you have your children, and you both have depths of understanding that will enrich your life so much.
I was an ardent opponent to gay marriage for years. Because of my unrelenting interest, I kept arguing. Because I believed in the gospel, in love and truth, I tried to carefully remain reasonable and compassionate as I argued. Eventually, this destroyed my homophobia. Josh, I am so glad that you came to a place of loving every part of yourself. Homosexuality is such a beautiful gift to the world. Lolly, I hope to one day be a strong a woman as you, and I wish you strength to continue as the journey changes.
I am so thankful I learned. It came before it was too late. Only after I accepted gay marriage did two of my own kids come out to me. Now, since they’re still at home, I have a chance to repair the damage I inflicted on them. Not too underestimate it, I do think the love and reason I used before I came to my epiphany had an impact that hopefully lessened the damage. I continue to believe that love matters. Reason matters. Even when we cannot know exactly where they lead, I believe they are principles that, when combined, we can depend on quite far.
Love this letter..love this post...you are my hero meadowchik.
Thank you. So far I'm a cautionary tale, though ;)
